I was watching "Just Rewards" last night and does anyone else find it odd that Angel could kill Hainsley with just a blow to the head when is such a powerful necromancer? :ponder:

As far as I can remember he was just an old bloke who knew how to control the dead, his necromamcer ability gave him no physical protection or strength he was just a man. Just as Willow is supposedly the most powerful witch in the world, unless she cast a spell of protection, hit her hard enough on the head and she'll die.

i don't remember willow casting a protective spell before warren axed her :unsure: ... or did she?

and i thought hainsley broke his neck on the table when he fall from angel punch (spike comment) :unsure:

Ooh- dont get me started on death- that only leads to Wesley's alleged death and the many reasons I dont buy it, which you nice people have heard before....

:headbang: :mad: :damnyou: (naming no names but I suppose it proves even a genius can have a petty kneejerk tantrum when his nice series is cancelled...but doesn't mean I believe a word of it....)

Ok so I know I'm not biggest Wesley fan but I think it the mark of a good series when they aren't afraid to kill off popular chracters. In any case I thought the whole team was dead I don't see how any of them could survive the final battle in "Not Fade Away" against the armys of hell. I thought that was the whole point of season 5 that evil could never be beaten but it was up to champions i.e. Angel and co to make a stand against it? :ponder:

Just think it seems stupid to me that if Hainsley had power over life and dead that he did make sure that he couldn't be harmed.

I don't remember Willow having to cast a spell to protect herself when Warren attcked her with axe. :ponder:

Can't remember too much about the exact scenes but a necromancer has power to reanimate/control the dead plus a few other things, he can not cast healing spells or protection spells and the like so apart from having reanimated corpses to protect him he would be just a normal person.

Again I can't remember much about Willow and Warren but unless his first blow killed her then because she was potrayed as being so powerful it is reasonable to believe that she would be able to cast a spell to heal herself.

Except Joss has given an interview saying he only decided to treat Wes that way BECAUSE the series was pulled...and wouldn't have dreamt of it otherwise. An easy enough cliffhanger to turn around in its way, but I though the effect was (amongst many other things) cheap. :mad:

who was Hainsley? :ermm:

a bad guy in angel season five episode two

was he the one who tryed to put ghost spike in to angels body but spike triked him and stayed in his body?

Yep, that's him :)

why dont you believe that wesley was really dead? ive never heard your reasons, i just assumed that he was dead and had no reason to think he wasnt or did i miss something :)

Ohh, tricky not to get long-winded on a hot day (but thank you for asking). Let's see- today's top three reasons for feeling stroppy and sceptical about it: I meant 'four', I meant 4:


Wesley is not in the HABIT of getting killed. In fact, his track record of recovery form far more serious-looking injuries is quite inspiring... so the probability that he is only nearly dead (AGAIN) is very high.

Who says he is dying anyway? Some half bewildered manic-depressive alien ex-demon goddess, with bugger-all training in humanoid diagnostic medicine, that's who.

Joss is on record as saying he had never had any intention of killing Wes or Gunn until the series was abruptly cancelled. So scratch that for plausible narrative integrity. I appeal on the grounds of Good Storytelling Codes of Conduct.

NO WAY (other than being badly thrown by said abrupt cancellation) would an inspired writer like Joss (who elsewhere shows every sign of respecting his audience's intelligence, loyalty, subtlty and discernment) concoct such a predicatable, cheesy and utterly trite last scene for Wesley. Cringeworthily faked-up and utterly untrue to character. Dying in squalor, flames, despair or carved up segments I could understand, but not on a tacky CLICHE.


:snooty: :shrug: :whistling:

thanks, ive never looked at it like that before :thumbsup:

Well, thank YOU for reading :blush: I think I got a bit carried away there... but I really meant it too.