it took a while (well since that buffy top 144 :rolleyes: ) but it's done :)

1/not fade away 2/orpheus 3/you are welcome 4/in the dark 5/guise will be guise 6/birthday 7/from shansu to LA 8/Hero 9/smile time 10/lullaby


11/are you now or have you ever been 12/home 13/city of 14/waiting in the wing 15/spin the bottle 16/darla 17/power play 18/dead end 19/the trial 20/a whole in the world


21/i will remember you 22/salvage 23/five by five 24/sleep tight 25/reunion 26/somnabulist 27/belonging 28/loyalty 29/conviction 30/redefinition 31/souless 32/room w/a view 33/dear boy 34/reprise 35/shells 36/sanctuary 37/deep down 38/forgiving 39/judgement 40/lineage


41/sense and sensivity 42/release 43/heartthrob 44/first impression 45/damage 46/blind date 47/awakening 48/tomorrow 49/destiny 50/i got you under my skin 51/cavalery 52/just rewards 53/ the batchelor party 54/ground state 55/fredless 56/war game 57/origins 58/apocalypse nowish 59/billy 60/slouching toward bethlehem


61/that vision thing 62/habeas corpus 63/quickening 64/players 65/carpe noctem 66/parting gifts 67/provider 68/eternity 69/expecting 70/epiphany 71/offspring 72/the prodigal 73/blood money 74/a new world 75/time bomb 76/long day journey 77/benediction 78/unleashed 79/couplet 80/over the rainbow


81/hell bound 82/the house always win 83/that old gang of mine 84/untouched 85/underneath 86/the shroud of ramon 87/the magic bullet 88/the girl in question 89/there is no place like .... 90/shiny happy people 91/the price 92/the thin dead line 93/soul purpose 94/disharmony 95/life of a party 96/dad 97/lonely hearts 98/inside out 99/double or nothing 100/through the looking glass

101/sacrifice 102/the ring 103/peace out 104/why we fight 105/i fall to pieces 106/she 107/harm's way 108/supersymmetry 109/the cautionery tale of numero cinco 110/happy anniversary


comment? (i know there will disagreement :rolleyes: :lol: )

That is absolutely brilliant prophecy girl :thumbsup:

I must admit I am really struggling when it comes to a top 110 as I do not know the episodes very well especially from S3 onwards whereas with Buffy the episodes are generally so memorable, the basic themes at least. S4 is so unified I am not sure how I would rate the main bulk of those at all. A great deal of S5 would prop up the lower regions of the chart no doubt.

Five by five, Reunion and Sleep Tight would almost certainly be in my top 10. I doubt You're Welcome or Hero would be in my top 10. Guise will be Guise certainly would not be. Eternity seems very low down to me too.

I would rate Disharmony, certainly, and Supersymmetry, probably, above a great deal of the weaker episodes of later seasons.

Even though I do not know the later seasons very well your list more or less feels right.

I am fired to do my own list but I would really need to rewatch the whole lot to do the series justice. I will do a preliminary top 10 that are subject to change no doubt.

1 Five by Five 2 Reunion 3 Not Fade Away 4 Reprise 5 Sleep Tight 6 Habeas Corpses 7 Smile Time 8 Redefinition 9 I Will Remember You 10 Somnambulist

sk

smile time in 7 and 8 position .. you really like that episode :D

I was a bit ahead of myself there. It was probably something to do with looking back and forth between your post and my post.

I am still not sure what my worst episode will be though certainly not Happy Anniversary. One of the early episodes in S5 maybe or perhaps Why We Fight or even The Girl in Question. sk

science and angelverse doesn't mix well, imo ... (hence happy anniversary being number 110)

the girl in question: well there are some good (and some funny) scenes and well wes/"fred" in LA but the main plot was not a great idea and probably too late in the season (if you compare to the season arc)

The science aspect has never worried me in the same way that early Star Trek was not really about science Buffy and Angel are not either. I have always felt the storytelling of Happy Anniversary worked pretty well.

I will allow myself one more grumble. Are you seriously saying The Bachelor Party is better than Apocalypse Nowish, Billy, The Prodigal or Untouched? sk

:ponder: definitly for a doyle episode

:group:

Wow! You have been having massive thoughts...can't wait to settle down and ponder your results- but don't seem to have much brain a the mo, after all the Big Marking of the last couple of weeks. Watching some series 4 seems to be helping with my rehabilitation- and tidying my room comes next- there appears to be a developing alliance between randomly discarded socks and a heap of junk mail which together are lurching towards to box of series 3 that is waiting to go to Surrey at the weekend. When I've dealt with the where's-the-floor-gone crisis, I'll have a nice long read. Thanks for providing the incentive.

Much congratulations PG! :thumbsup:

You better get started on the 2006 list soon! :lol:

:lol: i am gonna (re)w**k on the the 2006 buffy top list (seeing at the rewatch of buffy or angel doesn't seem to go anywhere :shrug: )

Question: your all time no. 1 is Not Fade Away, why? I been watching all s. 5 this week, and saw it again last night - my overwhelming feeling is that everything in it it great, but it is lumbered with the implications that anything that isn't dedalt with in it might never be...and I end up with a nasty attack of the 'yes, but...'s.

it's a great finale, imo :shrug:

Totally agree, and think it's a great choice as number 1. It would definitely at least make my top 3.

I agree. It deserves a top ranking. :)

xsarahx

In my top 3 too. Leaves so many unanswered questions but that's good. It would have been all too easy for Joss to tie up any loose ends and risk leaving Angel finishing flat. This way, it ends with another day at the office - all be it a huge, evil office with flying monsters and stuff!!! :lmao:

Gawd, i really could not do a top 110, I'd struggle to sort most of the Firefly episodes into fave order, so kudos to you :clap:

i have to think about that :lol:

I still have too much free time so I have been spending most of today faffing about with Excel trying to see what your rankings suggest prophecy girl.

S1,S2,S3,S5,S4

Your rankings suggest you enjoy all the seasons with some feelings of equality. Unbelievably to me they suggest you enjoy S5 more than S4 which seems highly unlikely. Possibly it could be that the very high rankings of a few brilliant S5 episodes especially You're Welcome, Smile Time and Not Fade Away have tilted the balance. Individual rankings do not really reflect the sheer class of S4. sk

:blink: :ponder: when i did the top, i think it was more 2-1-3-4-5 :shrug:

you take away jasmine arc and yeah season four is fantastic

I liked how Angel ended but I doubt I'd put Not Fade Away in my top 20, there's just loads of eps I enjoyed more than it.

maybe it was because it was the last episode i watched (obviously :rolleyes: ) before starting the top 110 but that doesn't mean if i was going to re-do the all thing that this episode wouldn't be in the top 20 (maybe not as number 1 but still it is a fantastic finale episode :p )

/next year, i will wait a little while before the last episode and starting the poll :shrug: :ponder:

Desperately trying to remember which one was Happy Anniversary...and why it got the bottom gig...

Awwww- be nice to Girl in Question - I like it very lots. Take away the antepenultimortality of it, what's not to like in and of itself? Surely not the -blokes regard the Godfather as sacrosanct- riff?

So much genius misdirection going on, Angel in vile sport wear is a massive hoot and holds my 'cheapest laugh' ever award (at least for today) - much poking fun at the contrary ingrate Geller, and a complete rearguard demolition of the toxic cookie dough crap...

or is it just me?

Happy Anniversary was the amusing science fiction leaning episode where the scientist is trying to freeze time and Angel is out to stop him. Pretty enjoyable AS2 silliness it seems to me. I prefer it to say Blood money or The Thin Dead Line.

I need to watch all of the last three seasons again to see what I think but AS5 was a bit patchy if enjoyable. sk

Silly me- THAT one- of course. Watched it over New Year as part of a s. 2 marathon with a newbie viewer and incidental scientist. Never realised that a genuine physicist would be compelled to seize the reomte and freeze-frame all the formulae and furrow the brow alterately going 'hmmm' and grrrr'.

He's going to ardore Fred- but he may be stuck with the equations in her cave for the best park of a year before he lets himself move on- any scientists out there with helpful suggestions?

Hide the remote? :shrug: :D

Is he indeed? :naughty:

Couldn't have hidden the remote - contravention of lifetime friendship treaty (and loss of Brownie hostess badge I suspect....)

OK- you want SPELLING on Sundays?

Actually just had e-mail from him- now seent he Pylea episodes we ran out of time for- 'the thinking scientists' fantasy woman' was indeed his view. But a bit concerned about the Texan aspect, I think.

Come to think- you think she went to school with Lindsey?

didn't lyndsay tell angel he was from a poor family or something like that (in blind date iirc)? i doubt he went to the same school than fred :ponder: :shrug:

Yeh, but but didn't Fred's dad said she slept in a drawer? perhaps weirdness is an inherited thing in their case...unless Texans have problems with Ikea assemblage too :shrug:

maybe she was just hiding from the aliens (17 years old insane fred from spin the bottle) :shrug:

I was thinking more like Fred in her cherub infancy -although what they put in her bottle to cause her to see aliens then - perhaps alien babies- would have been a bit worrying...

Perhaps by 17 Fred had progressed to hiding in wardrobes, and we all know where THAT leads....

wesley thought fred was hiding into a wardrobe when she actually set him up and knock him out (billy). so she did had a problem but she has been w**king to cure herself one way or another .................but is w**king in a library really helping? :ponder: :lol:

Of course . Libraries are full of citizens like myself.

Ah - on second thoughts you may have a point. :blush:

IIRC, fred was w**king in the dark dusty side of the library ......... maybe it was the professor (from supersymmetry) who tell her it was the best aera to w**k (because of the portal book) :shrug:

My top 10 anyway...



Angel :

10. Life Of The Party
9. Fredless
8. A Hole In The World
7. Origin
6. Awakening
5. Guise Will Be Guise
4. Spin The Bottle
3. Not Fade Away
2. Smile Time
1. Sleep Tight

top 110, rethought, reposted ( 2006 version) :rolleyes:

1 orpheus 2 you are welcome 3 smile time 4 not fade away 5 in the dark

6 guise will be guise 7 birthday 8 lullaby 9 hero 10 spin the bottle

11 home 12 from shansu to LA 13 are you now or have you ever been 14 city of 15 waiting in the wing

16 darla 17dead end 18 salvage 19 power play 20 the trial

21 a whole in the world 22 i will remember you 23 five by five 24 reunion 25 loyalty

26 sleep tight 27 redefinition 28 somnabulist 29 belonging 30 dear boy

31 conviction 32 souless 33 shells 34 lineage 35 room with a view

36 reprise 37 sense and sensivity 38 damage 39 sanctuary 40 deep down

41 heartthrob 42 forgiving 43 judgement 44 release 45 blind date

46 awakening 47 calvary 48 first impression 49 tomorrow 50 destiny

51 i got you under my skin 52 origins 53 fredless 54 war game 55 ground state

56 just rewards 57 the batchelor party 58 apocalypse nowish 59 billy 60 slouching toward bethlehem

61 eternity 62 epiphany 63 that vision thing 64 unleashed 65 habeas corpus

66 quickening 67 carpe noctem 68 expecting 69 the prodigal 70 blood money

71 players 72 parting gifts 73 offspring 74 long day journey 75 hell bound

76 provider 77 a new world 78 benediction 79 couplet 80 time bomb

81 the girl in question 82 over the rainbow 83 untouched 84 that old gang of mine 85 underneath

86 the thin dead line 87 the shroud of ramon 88 dad 89 disharmony 90 the house always win

91 the magic bullet 92 there is no place like ...93 the price 94 life of a party 95 soul purpose

96 shiny happy people 97 inside out 98 peace out 99 double or nothing 100 harm's way

101 lonely hearts 102 through the looking glass 103 sacrifice 104 she 105 why we fight

106 the ring 107 supersymmetry 108 i fall to piece 109 the cautionnery tale of numero cinco 110 happy anniversary

Great stuff. I am still 'working' on mine at least cerebrally. My memory of most of S3 onwards is terrible. This means I cannot be as critical as I would like to be.

I am sympathetic to you shunting Not Fade Away very slightly even though it is very memorable.

I still feel you are very harsh on Untouched, Disharmony and especially Lonely Heart. Untouched is brilliantly dark. Disharmony has two absolutely priceless jokes especially the ludicrously silly pyramid scam. Lonely Heart is a tremendous introduction to the world of Angel with an unusual take on feeling alienated in the big city with a fine fantasy twist. sk

disharmony is funny in place (cordie/ willow call :lol: ) but as the episode following crush, you would have expect something better :shrug:

untouched has a few good scenes

definitly not of fan of lonely hearts

top 110 2007 version, a few change here and there :rolleyes:


1/orpheus 2/smile time 3/not fade away 4/power play 5/spin the bottle 6/in the dark 7/birthday 8/you are welcome 9/waiting in the wing 10/lineage


11/redefinition 12/damage 13/destiny 14/lullaby 15/home 16/a hole in the world 17/five by five 18/somnanbulist 19/city of 20/hero 21/sanctuary 22/guise will be guise 23/deep down 24/awakening 25/release 26/darla 27/souless 28/origin 29/i will remember you 30/AYNOHYEB 31/reunion 32/heartthrob 33/sleep tight 34/long day journey 35/salvage 36/habeas corpus 37/shells 38/forgiving 39/offspring 40/reprise


41/dead end 42/that vision thing 43/apocalypse nowish 44/to shansu to LA 45/the trial 46/the thin dead line 47/quickening 48/ground state 49/just reward 50/hell bound 51/sense and sensitivity 52/eternity 53/judgement 54/epiphany 55/underneath 56/room w/a view 57/i got you under my skin 58/blood money 59/that old gang of mine 60/fredless 61/the girl in question 62/partying gift 63/war zone 64/provider 65/dear boy 66/loyalty 67/calvary 68/players 69/unleashed 70/time bomb


71/the prodigal 72/untouched 73/belonging 74/carpe noctem 75/couplet 76/inside out 77/conviction 78/tomorrow 79/slouching toward betlehem 80/blind date 81/there is no place like … 82/benediction 83/life of a party 84/expecting 85/the shroud of ramon 86/over the rainbow 87/billy 88/a new world 89/the house always win 90/through the looking glass 91/the batchelor party 92/disharmony 93/peace out 94/sacrifice 95/the magic bullet 96/dad 97/soul purpose 98/first impression 99/happy anniversary 100/shiny happy people



101/harm's way 102/the price 103/supersymmetry 104/the cautionery tale of numero cinco 105/lonely heart 106/why we fight 107/the ring 108/she 109/double or nothing 110/i fall to pieces

My inner nerd is jumping for joy.

I never did manage to do the requisite rewatch to refresh my memory about S3 onwards. Even with the more memorable S1 and S2 my recall is not exactly perfect. In other words I need a complete rewatch. Another problem is do I need S4/AS1 and S5/AS2 to make it all feel right. My inner nerd says yes but practicality says no.

I am happy(pun intended) you are less harsh on Happy Anniversary. I feel it is delightfully silly.

I am sympathetic to I Fall To Pieces being last as the story feels like a script that was rejected from The X-Files for being too naff by half.

Wow I just noticed First Impressions has dropped from 48 to 98 and I have to say I totally agree. Not one of the best of S2.

I still feel you are being quite ruthlessly exacting about Lonely Heart but I think I understand where you are coming from. My personal feeling is it is a tiny bit special but very special in having the best music certainly in Angel but quite possibly in Buffy too. When She Was Bad pushes it close though.

I have too much freetime but I am glad you have too.sk