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Quite interesting :thumbsup:

Doesn't really say anything new as such but it's a neat summing up.

No, you're right Paul.

I already knew most, if not all of that, but the sources were quite widespread.

He bangs on about MoH being such a great actor though :rolleyes: Ok, perhaps he wasn't as wooden as the character of Sinclair made him look at times, but he's still not as good as Boxleitner.

The only real thing of significance that I can't remember if I'd thought of before was the thing about Sinclair's aging in WWE. Sinclair's aged because they're coming from the Sleeping in Light timeframe. I think we all pretty much know that the original finale would have combined elements from both WWE and SiL. I hadn't picked up on the Vorlon throwaway lines either; "At the end, go back to the beginning", referring to Sinclair, who not only would have beaten the Shadows in this timeframe but also Valen's 1000 years ago.

Yeah there was the odd thing I hadn't really thought about either.

One thing that I found odd was when he referred to Delenn as Sinclair/Valen's great great grandaughter, I can't remember what the life span of a Minbari is but surely there would be more than 5 generations in 1000 years :unsure:

I think he was just generalising their Paul.

The whole thread around Valen/Sinclair is fascinating.

The triluminarys for example, where exactly did they come from ? Sinclair is given them in the future, one of which he uses to undertake his transformation into Valen, but all three go back into the past with him, where they are used to identify the descendants of Valen, by picking up his DNA. That being the case we can safely assume that the triluminaries that he took back are the same ones that he will receive again in the future. Their entire existance is just a vicious circle !!

The other thing that I thought about with regards to WWE, was around David, Sheridan/Delenn's son. Especially in light of Zathras' explanation of 'The One', where 'The One' consists of Sinclair, Sheridan and Delenn. David, is in effect, a direct descendant of all three !!

The other thing of note about Valen and his DNA; In THE ILLUSION OF TRUTH it's suggested that Sheridan/Delenn wanted to introduce Minbari genes into Humans. Knowing what we know about the nature of Valen and his descendants, the opposite was actually true.

The other thing about the link page above; It's quite obvious now that The Great Machine suffered plotwise in light of Sinclair's departure from the series. I really doubt that we'd have heard from Draal and the great machine at all until the finale had the overall arc stayed as it was originally intended. Imagine the shock value, if in the finale Draal and the great machine are the ones to facilitate Sinclair/Valen's journey back through time. Right under our noses for four years !!!

I always though oHare was written out specifically for the reason that he would eventually return. I never knew that is was originally supposed to be the same character.
I don't have any B5 dvds or know any of the names of the episodes but I have seen almost every episode (and most of the tv films, even the one with Martin Sheen, which is absolutely and utterly totally appalling) and thoroughly enjoyed every series (even 5).
The whole bloke in a spacesuit appearing in an ep in series 1, then seeing the story from the bloke in the spacesuit pov a few season later though, that whole time travel thing, that was fecking brilliant.
What does JMS do now?
Any chance of him doing a similar huge story-arc thing with something else?
B5 was sci-fi telly at its very best.

Couldn't agree more. I've just finished watching the whole series and it was absolutely brilliant. OK, so s5 does lose it's way a little in the middle but the final episodes more than compensate for that. Sleeping in Light is wonderful. I'd forgotten it's impact, not having seen it for years. Also I was struck by it's resemblance to LoTR since I hadn't read that before watching it when it was on TV

I'm alone in championing MoH though. What others see as wooden I see as enigmatic. FFS the guy's responsible for stopping the Earth/Minbari war and doesn't know why, people keep saying things like "There is a hole in your mind" and then it turns out he's Valen. Wouldn't you be enigmatic with all that in your head. BB I never took to. He never seemed to act, just barked "ASAP" a lot. For most of the final season he's just a bit player.

Just my humble opinion, of course

JMS' most recent series afaik was Jeramiah (which I haven't seen).

He's currently Exec Producer/Showrunner on an (as yet unannounced :unsure: ) show.

That and all his comic writing (Spiderman et al).

In todays tv climate is is nigh on impossible to attempt a heavy arc show.

Jeremiah is Joe's latest show, as Paul points out. For my money it was absolutely brilliant, carrying many of the themes that made B5 such a great show. Fantastic characters, long story arcs and at it's heart another series about the fall and rise of empires and empire building. I honestly believe that had Jeremiah run to five seasons or 110 episodes then it could seriously have rivalled B5.

Joe's signed up to EP a show next year, but until it's announced he can't say which one. He did give a few clues but I really can't remember them now. I think it's an established franchise, but a new take on that franchise. It's not Star Trek.

Going back to the whole O'Hare/Boxleitner thing, it's a case of the enigmatic against the charismatic. I must admit to not thinking much of O'Hare to begin with and didn't really care too much when Boxleitner replaced him in Season 2. On subsequent viewings however I find that I dislike O'Hare's character much less. You actually wonder what the show would have been like had he stayed. That being said though, I still prefer Boxleitner. His enthusiasm for the show is obvious and it comes across when he's playing out scenes. In one of the script books, volume 2 I think Joe tells a story about Bruce being mightily p*ssed off that the show wasn't going to a sixth season. "What you couldn't have made it a six year arc?" :lol: