What can I say about this episode other than Wow! Just brilliant...

From the very start its non stop. As soon as the Pegasus shows up, you know that there are going to be problems, but I didn't really expect them to escalate quite so quickly. The new admiral seems to be more than a little psycho.

Couldn't believe the rape scenes, and the idea that the cylon on Pegasus had endured months of this. I always find rape scenes incredibly emotive, far more than a murder. I was more than happy to see Halo kill the guy (or was it Tyrol?).

The way that the Admiral railroaded the two guys was well done, but not as good as Adama's reaction.

About the only (very small) complaint I had was the actress who played Admiral Cain. Not that she wasn't good, she just seemed a little young to be at such high a rank. Personally, I was hoping they had borrowed Beau Bridges from Stargate for the role (Beau's dad, Lloyd Bridges, played the Admiral in the original series).

The second series is turning out to be every bit as good as the first.

If you asked me to speculate what the cliff hanger for ep 10 would be I wouldn't have thought it would be someone like this. An episode where the cylons weren't the enemy but something to be pitied and the enemy where fellow officers. After watching this you can really understand why the cylons rebelled in the first place.

Agreed about the Admiral being too young though.

Thats what got me. The way that they muddy the morality in this episode is amazing. I love how they go from a jubliant welcome for pegasus to atatcking them within 45 mins.

I couldn't believe how much sympathy they drum up for the cylons in this ep. I've never liked number 6, but when you see the state that they have left her in, your heart goes out to her. I liked the visible look of shock on her face (and Baltars) when she sees her couterpart. Thats not to mention the shock and anger you feel when they try the same trick on boomer.

I also thought it was really clever how they brought up the questionable decisions that galactica has taken since the war, and Admiral Cane brushed them off, saying that Adama couldn't be expected to explain his actions. This gave Cane a sort of moral high ground. You kind of think "well, thats very reasonable of her". Then when you find out whats been going on over at Pegasus, you realise you can't allow her the same privilege. Very cleverly done IMHO.

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode;

I especially liked the conflicting view points. Showing the cylons in a more human light was a very good move.

I disagree on the point about the admiral, I don't think it is implausible for someone of her age to be admiral. It also provided a contrast that was a running theme throughout this episode. on the one hand there is the new brand-new battlestar, full of new technology but not battle hardened with a young untested commander, and on the other side there is galactica, an antiquated ship, a relic of the old war which has proved its worth, and is commanded by veterans like Adama who represent the 'old guard'. Cane is also a bit crazy-mad, but adama seems to handle pressure quite well.

Excellent episode, as ever. The way they muddy the waters so that the good guys aren't always that good and the bad guys aren't always that bad makes a refreshing change from stuff like Star Trek's "white hat, black hat" philosophy. Wondered how the treatment of enemy prisoners went down in the US :naughty:

I din't have a big problem with Michelle Forbes's admiral. Again, better than Trek's admirals. Admiral Janeway yet.

Pegasus

WOW another great episode that left me drooling for even more. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Hell what a surprise. :o More survivors on another more superior Battlestar! To Be honest I guessed it was another Battlestar but it flooded my mind with exciting possibilities. Even as the episode was running I was concocting possibilities, feeling in my gut that some time down the line we are going to see a major battle between the Cylon's and the colonial fleet. During that battle the Pegasus will possibly be destroyed as Galactica and the fleet escape. The episode itself reminded me a lot of Star Trek Voyager "Equinox" although obviously tons better. I'm sure everybody got the same distrusting vibe about the crew of the Pegasus as the episode unfolded.

One thing that bothered me about this new Battlestar and its Vipers is how they don't succumb to the Cylon's virus like the rest of the other new Battlestars and Vipers like in the mini-series. We know Galactica's Vipers were affected and they were probably older than the Pegasus' Vipers. :ponder:

Another thing that bothered me is that the admiral took Apollo and Starbuck the two best and most senior pilots on the Galactica. Yet there didn't seem to be a couple of experienced pilots going the other way. :ponder:


I'm left wondering as the episode finished how things are going to be resolved. I can't help but think that the current second in command aboard Pegasus, who spilled the beans to the wily old dog Colonel Tigh, is at some point during the second half of the season going to cause a mutiny.

It is strange I'm not sure how I'm supposed feel. The Cylon's are not real people except they are. I felt disgusted and sick they had raped and abused the real live Cylon No. 6 (who usually appears in Baltar's mind). I also felt absolutely no compassion for the officer that was trying to rape Sharon Valary (spelling?) as the chief and Helo tried to prevent Sharon from the same fate and eventually died at Tyrol's hand.

one thing you know is going to come out of this is that there's going to be more pilots and vipers which have been sorely needed. I have to say I'm quite surprised that the series didn't introduce the draft. With 48,000 odd people the remainder of the human race whose at war with a greatly superior force you would have thought they would get every able bodied person trained up not just in flying Vipers but in every conceivable military need like in Israil. Am I alone in thinking this could still be needed even if Galactica does end up with tons of pilots from Pegasus? :unsure:

Didn't Cane say something like they were in dry dock being resupplied or something somewhere fairly remote at the time of the attack so maybe weren't in the firing line, much like Galactica? They may have come to the same conclusions re networked computer systems etc.

I think you're right Cane did say something like that. I think I can buy they weren't in the firing line but the Pegasus' pilots were all gung-ho about all of these engagements/kills they have had with the Cylon's. Surely those Vipers would have been disabled when presumably the virus would be unleashed again . :ponder:

yes, but in the mini series, weren't there reports flying around about the virus. I'm sure that the crew of galactica heard that the main fleet had been trashed because of it.

The pegasus did a blind jump, to the middle of nowhere, and presumably had plenty of time before it went back to the battle.

Bear in mind that Apollo was flying a mark 7 viper in the mini series too, and it didn't take long to make it virus proof.

as I recall Apollo was flying an old model Viper that his dad had previously used in the last Cylon war when the Cylon's attack.

I was under the impression that all the Vipers on Galactica were all the old-style ones taken from the museum on the other hangar deck.

yeah, they were, but apollo wasn't from galactica. He just turned up for the ceremony in his mark 7, and got stuck with them.

Although he'd switched to a mark 2 by the end of the miniseries because of the virus, he pretty soon went back to his mark 7 in season one.

I think they retrofitted all their remaining vipers once they realised why they were failing.

ahhhhh! now I didn't realise that they had retrofitted all of the newer Vipers. I just had assumed that there was nothing they could do with them because they were too computerised or were all destroyed.

Well that was rather good :)

Nothing mew to add apart from what's been said previously, and I agree with the Pegasus's XO becoming sympathetic given his reaction during the final scenes.

Only one annoying thing though, and that was the hideous soft-rock playing during the most-part of the teaser. Nasty, just nasty.

I thought that, too - it was totally out of place and out of keeping with the series' other music.

Other than that, fantastic, the ending was real pulse-pounding stuff :thumbsup:

Michelle Forbes still looks good (even without the crinkly nose) :ph43r:

The pacing was quite frenetic, I found. Is this the one that there's an extended version of? It'd be interesting to see what was cut, if that's the case :)

Not sure, the copy I have is about 1:30 or so longer than average but all sorts of things affect that, like how much of the credits the various cappers leave out etc.

And yep Michelle Forbes still scrubs up pretty well :)

Apparently so, but it's not on the Season 2.0 set that's out at the moment (although the episode itself is about a minute and a half longer than the other episodes).

Rumours abound that come the Season 2.5 set they will include the extended version of Pegasus...

I'm also looking forward to seeing this extended episode which if I recall correctly was initially mentioned on one of the pod casts by Ronald moore, not that I've heard it myself.

Wow! :o

That was mental.

How the hell is this going to get resolved? :(