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Title: 5x04
Description: Nor The Battle To The Strong


Hippy - August 6, 2005 08:44 AM (GMT)
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Stardate: Unknown Jake Sisko and Julian Bashir are caught in the middle of a battle between a Federation colony and a Klingon army.


Cullsoft - August 8, 2005 03:28 PM (GMT)
I'd never actually seen this episode before, so this was a new venture to me. And an enjoyable one it was. :)

It was good to see Jake have to take on the "horrors of war", especially as he (and most other Federation civilians) probably saw war as a far more cushy affair from their secured quarters, even with DS9 on the frontline. It was great to see the pressure get to him - kinda shows that even with his dad being something of a "Starfleet hero", he's just a regular kid opening his eyes to the way the universe is...

Hippy - August 15, 2005 12:37 PM (GMT)
Ditto (well except I've seen it too many times to mention :lol: ).

Can't really see Voyager or even TNG doing an ep quite as graphic as this one and another reason why I like DS9 so much.

Hippy - September 8, 2006 08:44 AM (GMT)
Soiler free :)

Edit: And no spoilers either :blink:

willowroolz - September 11, 2006 10:16 AM (GMT)
The further I get into the series the more I like Bashir. He's been involved in the two best episodes I've seen recently, even though this is Jake's episode he still plays a huge part. I liked his expression when he read Jake's article at the end and found out what had really happened. I'd like to see this followed up on between the two characters, but every time I've thought that so far they have failed to do it.

I liked the time lapses that showed Jake helping out in the hospital and gradually becoming more and more disenchanted and afraid. It helped to make his ultimate actions all the more believable. I was still slightly gobsmacked when he left Bashir lying there, though.

Cracking episode :thumbsup:

Crichton Kicks - September 12, 2006 11:22 AM (GMT)
Love this one :thumbsup:

It's the kind of episode you very rarely see on Star Trek. IMO, the characters of Bashir and Jake develop terrificly through the series, possibly the two with the most growth actually. I think, as good as Bashir/Siddig is in this one, the episode still belongs to Cirroc Lofton, who puts in a super performance.

willowroolz - September 12, 2006 11:33 AM (GMT)
I think it's fair to say that Jake is the best "child" character I've seen on any series :thumbsup:

Crichton Kicks - September 12, 2006 11:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Sep 12 2006, 12:33 PM)
I think it's fair to say that Jake is the best "child" character I've seen on any series :thumbsup:

Can't disagree with that. Can't actually remember that many, but Jake's probably the only character I actively remember as being good. To be fair, he's probably better than good as a character, and that's largely due to Cirroc Lofton, with a little help from the writers of course :thumbsup:

willowroolz - September 12, 2006 11:39 AM (GMT)
I'm thinking Wesley, Dawn, Connor... :rolleyes: :lol:

Not much competition, really, but even if there were I think Jake would still come out on top. His quest to become an author has been one of the most engaging aspects of the series so far, for me at least :thumbsup:

Crichton Kicks - September 12, 2006 11:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Sep 12 2006, 12:39 PM)
I'm thinking Wesley, Dawn, Connor... :rolleyes: :lol:

Not much competition, really, but even if there were I think Jake would still come out on top. His quest to become an author has been one of the most engaging aspects of the series so far, for me at least :thumbsup:

It's kind of a similar journey to that of Wesley.

Sets out down the expected path of following in his father's footsteps and joining Starfleet, eventually realising that his future lay in a different direction, before setting about realising his dream.

The big difference is the way it was written and played. Wesley's journey was completely unrealistic, a different level of existance? You what? WTF is that all about FFS ?!?!?

willowroolz - September 12, 2006 11:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Crichton Kicks @ Sep 12 2006, 12:45 PM)
The big difference is the way it was written and played. Wesley's journey was completely unrealistic, a different level of existance? You what? WTF is that all about FFS ?!?!?

Well exactly. Obviously I don't know what happens to Jake in the end as yet, but his development so far has been natural and, above all else, believable. I thought this episode was phenomenal in that respect :)

Crichton Kicks - September 12, 2006 11:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (willowroolz @ Sep 12 2006, 12:51 PM)
QUOTE (Crichton Kicks @ Sep 12 2006, 12:45 PM)
The big difference is the way it was written and played. Wesley's journey was completely unrealistic, a different level of existance? You what? WTF is that all about FFS ?!?!?

Well exactly. Obviously I don't know what happens to Jake in the end as yet, but his development so far has been natural and, above all else, believable. I thought this episode was phenomenal in that respect :)

I don't think it's giving too much away to say that Jake's progression continues in a similar 'realistic', 'natural' manner.




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