senior parteners :ermm: who where they? and why didnt we ever get to see them? :ermm:


also does anyone actually know who the prophecy was about (the vampire with a soul will live) spike or angel?

spike :wub: :drool: sorry about that, i got carried away in my thoughts :naughty:

we never saw the power that be either .......probably demons that are in an other dimension, sending their directive via spychic or something like that. and they seemed not be able to move freely in this world that they had to used some other demons to come and do the review of the firm every 75 years :shrug:

the prophecy is about angel ... if it wasn't, why would the senior partners keep angel alive so much and make sure no one dust him (and it was very clear during season five) .... the prophecy is about someone stopping a major apocalypse (wolfran and hart is definitly sure angel will have a major part in their apocalypse and they want to make sure he will be on their side)

Can't be Spike as he didn't have a soul when the prophesy was written, unless there was even more cheating with sending manuscripts through wormholes in time than even we would be prepared to tolerate.. :ponder:

Do we know when the prophecy was written though? I always thought the prophecy was ancient and would have been written before Angel was even born as a human, let alone before he had a soul. Or maybe Sahjan's been playing jokes with the manuscripts again ....... :lol:

I always thought the Senior Partners were on another plane of existence - as Claire has already mentioned one of the SPs had to take the form of another demon to enter this dimension in s2 (I think it was Reprise?). The references about the SPs in s5 also make me think that but I won't go into more detail as it might be a bit spoilery for those who haven't seen s5 yet.

I'll move this topic to the season five board and you can be as spoilery as you like :)

Thanks Loobi :thumbsup:

during season five, only lyndsay gave a damn about spike, so angel had to be the vampire of the prophecy if not why would the black horn guys make angel sign against the shansu prophecy? :ponder:

Yeah, that's what I thought because the Black Thorn didn't seem too bothered about Spike.

Which begs the question - what was Lindsay's involvement in getting the amulet to Sunnydale? Did he intend Angel to wear it and then come back to LA to run Wolfram and Hart (and therefore planted the amulet). Or did he merely get involved after the amulet had been used to close the Hellmouth (collecting it and then sending it to Angel in LA)? Sorry if I'm asking questions that have been asked a thousand times before :rolleyes: :lol:

Another thing about the Senior Partners - judging by what Illyria says about them in Shells, the "Wolf Ram and Hart" were lower demons that accumulated power over a long period of time and have influence over many dimensions (eg Pylea). But for some reason they had no direct power in this dimension and instead had to rely on the Black Thorn to carry out their bidding, so to speak. Personally I'd have loved to have seen Angel go up against the SPs in person (and maybe they were thinking about heading in that direction for s6 if there had been one) but it wasn't to be :tear:

Until the prophecy came to fruition, if it did at all, then who it is about is just speculation. And just because the Senior Partners believed it was about Angel doesn't mean that it was, they are not infallible as we saw. It could have been about Angel, Spike or as yet (and now never will) unmentioned vampire.

Though if you want to know who the writers more than likely intended the prophecy to be about then you don't have to look any further than the title of the show. :)

:) Hi Endgame

Lilah gave Angel the amulet at the end of Season 4 as part of the Connor package deal so I doubt Lindsey was involved to begin with, I think he only used it afterwards to throw Spike in the mix to distract Angel in Season 5. That was my take on it

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Ah, so Lindsay had more of an opportunistic involvement in the amulet business (in that he saw a chance to mess with Angel and the SPs plans for him). A lot of the Lindsay storyline in s5 still confuses me, I really should rewatch :lol:

i think lyndsay just used spike fustration to make his plan w**k ... wolfran and hart sent the amulet to distract angel with ghost spike ... lyndsay just find a way to give spike his body again.

And yet, in a series capable of irony, I goota wonder. Now I've seen Spike in 5, and seen Angel sign away (allegedly) his options on being the lucky one, I'm changing my mind to a cheeful 'don't know'.

Pawmarkinh a manuscript couldnt effect its content anyway- but a person might get banned from the library in question. Huh!

I didn't buy Angel signing away his chance for a soul. How the flip was that supposed to w**k?

and isn't it a decision from the power that be to change angel into a mortal? :ponder:

Moreover, we all know it's not his real name, so it wouldn't even stand up in court (however apocalyptically hellish it was...)... I sneer at the evil cider drinkers and their failed cunning....

He does that sort of thing, JW, now and again, bless him. It is his flaw that only makes us love him more, or something.

it seem the black horns just wanted to test angel than really care how he signed the paper :shrug:

He drinks cider? :shrug:

Well he might, he's an anglophile. And there's nothing wrong with cider drinkers in general obviously, its just nasty cloudy Blackthorn type things one must be wary of... :snooty:

Although I have had amusing experiences with elderly American tourists who are unaware that English cider is 'hard' ie alcoholic, and slurp mucho Woodpecker before slithering gently from their bar stools. (OK exaggeration, ONE little old teetotal biddy did this - after that, I knew to warn the dear innocents before they kicked into the bright yellow fizzy stuff in the first place....

And if the Blachthorners are biggish bad, how evil the Scrumpyites? Arrgh!

Evil indeed...but evil isn't the same as foul tasting! :innocent:

You mean you embrace the yumminess of scrumpy? OK if you first strain out the more 'organic' lumps and bumps, I suppose... and if you can see daylight through it...

I'm not sure yummy is exactly the term I'd use to describe scrumpy, possibly 'yummy in comparison to Blackthorn' is what I'm looking for.

Ah- useful clarification there- and I dont mean sieving before serving...

But honestly- given loveable Joss's anglophile credentials...do you think he had NO idea of the snigger-potential of naming his ultimate evil secret society thusly? Doesn't a genius author have People to Google such things for inadvertent hilarity?

Or was it just me? :blush:

I have to admit I didn't make the connection immediately, but then that makes it even more perfect in its subtelty! Had there been a season 6 of Angel perhaps the Scrumpyites might have got their chance to shine too and the whole analogy would have become far more clear...

Joss has shown a compulsion to revert to the West Country - not only Giles's little corner of heaven, and that of the friendly neoghbourhood coven, but the well of wossname...it's all cider country... I fel a sizeable AHA! coming on, but have no emoticon for a quality eureka moment.

:kate:

But that'll do I suppose.

Well I'm sure it might explain why certain moments have been experienced as eureka moments at any rate... ;)

There seems to be an utter lack of jumping out of the bath naked emoticons. I'm utterly appalled! :snooty:

True- the Mods should be told about this important icon-lackage. But I'd like the option of a nice warm fluffy towel, please. :whistling:

Maybe we could each have personalised emoticons, with initials embroidered on the warm fluffy towels?

I think I may need to stock up on things of the warm and fluffy variety as my boiler is showing signs of impending collapse... :tear:

Ooooooh, personalised fluffy towels would be snug and stylish - good combo.

My advice would be to stock up on a useful plumber (who may indeed be warm and fluffy- give him a cup of tea and a Jaffa cake to be on the safe side) Unless you mean collapse through floor, in which case my money would be on a reliable builder - and be prepared to offer the tea and Jaffa cakes to the downstairs neighbour.

You may very well live in a bungalow and have a family of plumbers, etc to call on. If so, ignore this...but I still like the towel idea.

We do actually have two families of plumbers, but since we're renting and the landlady is the boss of the estate agent its her responsibility to get it sorted. I don't know if its British Gas being slow and irritating or if there's some weird internal politics going on at the estate agents- when I called yesterday to find out what was going on they said the guy I'd been talking to about it no longer works there... :unsure:

Ok, I realise I have completely wandered off topic to moan about my woes...so, uh, senior partners eh? Well. I bet they have nice towels. (I bet they have w**king boilers *scowl*...)

Senior Partners - absolutely- we just take a broad view of the topic, that's all: bet THEY dont get lip from late, ill-equipped, jobsworth repair men: if fact, they probably plant them in otherwise user-friendly repair firms to dilute levels of happiness across the planet... in fact- I BLAME THEM for your boiler- it's all perfectly clear now. :yahoo:

Aha! Suddenly it all starts to make sense... :ponder:

But whatever can we do to rectify this? Pour scrumpy on the disappointing workmen?

Actually that sounds like the beginning of a good plan... ;)

Welcome the workmen with tea and biscuits (Powers of Good) -IF or WHEN the disappoint, lash out with the scrumpy - but leave it in the flagons...this will Make Your Point quite clearly. If they dont even show - just drink the scrumpy (Power of Oblivion, plus a deceptive warm glow to replace that of a functional boiler..) Buy the asprin first though- higher brain function and basic movement may be compromised....

And I was just planning on throwing scrumpy in their face!

If and when the Scrumpyite army is raised I'm sure you should be leading it... :innocent:

In a peaceable and democratic way - you're on. By the way, who are we fighting? The cancellers of hugely entertaining series featuring vampires, or certain writers who should just get their fingers out and got things to the big screen which have been long hinted at?
Just got back from a morning showing of Wallace and Gromit- if Aardman can do it (after 5 years' w**k) I think Joss just needs to wake up one morning with a lawn full of scrumpy drinkers all prepared to help him find his typewriter. Or, we could just send him scrumpy itself...by the barrell load.

Well of course peaceable and democratic, I wouldn't suggest anything else. :whistling:

I should have thought the chief enemy would be the Blackthorn- but it sounds like they've formed a coalition with silly network execs and other nightmarish creatures. Scrumpyise them all! :mad:

And if this plans involves stalking Joss and standing around on his lawn (assuming he has one), well I'll just have somehow manage it for the common good.

Right, I'm going back to Thud! :thumbsup:

Obviously no lawn standage before spring, as our misson is not in any way anti-grass-roots... scrumpy could be left tidily on a doorstep with the milk for the time being. As you say, for the common good - but any Buffyverse projects drafted under the influence of scrumpy will take things to a wholly unprecidented level of surrealism - cant wait.

Happy Thud - read it again last week myself. Must retrieve my Where's My Cow from a nine month old soon - she shows no sign of chewing it yet - perhaps I could dip in scrumpy as well.

I think I must entirely pledge no lawn standing until lawn is fully grown and non-muddy, I'm running out of clothes to ruin!

Scumpy dipped books for babies? :ponder: Well it should keep them quiet. I lent Where's My Cow? to my flatmate the other day who is a slightly older baby and he was completely enthralled by it and went to sleep muttering random things which sounded distinctly like "it is a sheep!", "where's my cow?" etc :lol: