A thread to talk about the newest installment without fear of spoiling other readers ;)

Can someone pleeeeease tell me who dies? :unsure:

Are you sure you want to be spoiled Loobi? :)

That big scary spider Aragog dies. It has a funeral and everything. It's all very sad. :tear: Why would JK Rowling do that to her readers? Why?

Oh, and Dumbledore snuffs it too ;)

xSarahx

I like the books but i'm only up to the fourth and i knew i'd end up being spoiled beforehand anyways so may as well get it out of the way :)

So Dumbledore uh? :ermm: Kinda figured, afterall you can't have two heroes in the final...

This book was so :tear: All the deaths and violence and the broken hearts :(

I loved that Harry and Ginny got together (even if it didn't last very long :lol: ).

What do you think about Snape? IS he evil?

maybe it was due to the "protect malfoy at all cost" spell or it was dumbledore way to make sure harry will deal with moldevor without looking back ... apart that i think harry will be more after snape than you know who :rolleyes:

the start of the book was a little slow ... nothing really happen (mostly talk, a few quiddich incidents, .. .... and well ok we learn a little more about lord voldemort past) ... until the last hundreds page

I liked this book a lot, although was a little disappointed that there weren't any huge shock moments. I guessed who the Half-blood prince was quite early on (someone excellent at Potions and keen on the dark arts.. hmmm), and we always knew Dumbledore was going to have to die in this one. Harry has to do his final battle alone. The fact that Snape was the one to kill him was a bit of a shock though! I loved all the Voldemort backstory we got, it finally made him seem human (and somehow more scary) rather than just this bad guy that everyone fears. I think I prefer this one to Order of the Phoenix, despite having much darker content, the tone/mood of the story was lighter.. Harry matured a lot and so wasn't moody the entire time! I thought Harry and Ginny were quite sweet, but their relationship seemed a bit rushed. But Lupin and Tonks? I thought that was very strange, and incredibly unexpected.

No. I have faith in Snape, for some reason I just can't accept that he's evil. It's probably just wishful thinking though :lol:. I thought about it, and it could w**k out that he's still w**king for the order. Imo when Dumbledore said "Severus please", he wasn't pleading to be spared, but pleading for Snape to kill him. Dumbledore was dying anyway, and having someone that Voldemort trusts on "our" side is incredibly valuable, and perhaps recognizing this, Dumbledore sacrificed himself. He also didn't want Draco Malfoy to become a murderer, and as Snape had vowed to protect Malfoy (who would be killed by Voldy if he couldn't finish his mission), he had to do it. But as I said, I think that's probably just wishful thinking, I don't want Snape to be evil :(. Oh, I also think Malfoy will redeem himself, he doesn't want to be a murderer, he couldn't kill Dumbledore. And from his crying in the toilets, it appears he isn't as comfortable with being a death eater as he'd like people to believe. I'm hoping Harry will recognize that Malfoy is merely acting out of love for his parents (much like Harry is) and give him a chance. Can't see it happening though.

So, who do people think R.A.B is? My immediate thought was Regulus Black, but who knows.

Hold on a second.....Snape killed Dumbledore. That makes him evil in my eyes regardless of what reasons he had.

Now that I've finished the book, I would have to say that Snape isn't on Harry's side. In that moment with Dumbledore, he didn't have to kill him, just appear to kill him. I don't think that the final book will be quite as good if Harry's not at Hogwarts though :(

At first I thought Snape, who I always had faith in, had turned out to be bad after all. But I do believe now that JK Rowling is producing one of her famous plot twists in preperation for the finale.

Originally, I thought Dumbledore had pretended to be Snape in chapter two when he made the vow, thats why his hand was scarred. But of course that theory went out the wndow. :unsure:

Remember Hagrid heard Dumbledore and Snape argue earlier on about something Snape was unhappy about? I think they made one of those vow thingys for Snape to kill him if things went bad. Dumbledore trusts Snape for some reason. They seem pretty close. Plus maybe Snape was ordered to save Malfoy, as Voldy would have wanted him dead for failing to accomplish his task. Dumbledore would no way have wanted a student to die for any reason, whatever their evil backround ;)

Snape can't be evil, he just can't.... :tear:

xSarahx

:thumbsup:

At last Ive been waiting forever for this book.

I found this book hard to follow at first as it kept on saying about things that happened and I couldnt remember them happening. Then I realized it was in the fifth book and ive only read that once. Which might explain alot. :blush:
I cant believe JK Rowling killed off Dumbledore. I know she had to but dont you feel sorry for Harry. Everyone he is close to gets killed off. First his mum and dad, then Sirius Black and then last his headmaster. I wanted to shout at her 'are you mad, that poor boy has had enough death to last him a life time'. :cry:
I hope Harry kills Snape in the next book. Always hated him and always will. He is a big bully who needs to wash his hair. I dont care if he turns out to be 'good' in the end. He killed Dumbledore and for that I will hate him forever. Also Its bound to happen but I hope Harry kills He who must not be named, the slower the better. :devil:
Sorry got abit carried away there. :blush:
Haze

Its a miracle that Ginny didn't die, as Harry was far too happy with her :lol:

xsarahx

:cry:

Thats why hes finished with her. So 'you know who' doesnt use her to get to him again. Bless him though couldnt you just squeeze him, how brave he is at 16/17 to be heading off to find his enemy to finish him off for good. Also knowing he might not come back. :fear: At that age I didnt have a care in the world.
Haze

Terrific stuff. I was kind of thrown by the ending, as I was convinced that as soon as Harry got together with Ginny, it was her that was in for the sticky end.

I've always been a secret Snape fan too, I really can't believe that he killed Dumbledore... I'm hoping that JK has a twist for us on that score. After all, Snape has saved Harry's skin a few times over the years. It would never surprise me if Snape again turns out to be a good guy. I can't see how anything could possibly make up for killing Dumbledore, but we will see next time round.

I can't believe that we've only got one more novel to go. I have a feeling I maybe one of those saddo's that queues up in the bookshops at midnight on release day next time round... so much speculation going around my head, and I want to put a stop to it!

Andrew (HM) :yahoo:

I agree with pretty much everything you said!

Don't forget the constant reference to Occullamcy (sp?) and non-verbal spells thru this book. I think that Snape and Dumbledore were communicting telepathically during the big fight scene. I don't think snape is evil, even have the feeling he maybe one of the big heroes in book 7. Have a feeling Malfoy may turn out to be a bit of an ally to Harry too - tho thats just guesswork.

There was an exchange of conversation between Snape and Harry when they were duelling. Snape's words keep replaying in my head and I'm convinced he was warning him "should've learnt occullamcy" etc

In ref to RAB, all I can think of is Regulas too.

JK is taking a 6 month break before she starts the finasl book, so I guess we've got a while to wait yet :(

Just read a theory that I've not thought of myself but makes perfect sense - Harry is one of Voldermort's Hoircrux? The scar, the connection, nobody being allowed to kill him - but it would mean that Harry would have to die to save the wizarding world. whadda ya think?

That's how I feel!

:lmao: at 'He is a big bully who needs to wash his hair'!

I'm having a discussion about Harry being a Horcrux on another site, but I'm not convinced. It would make sense but then if Voldemort has to kill Harry in order for him to live (as per the phrophecy) surely if he kills Harry then that will in turn make him weaker so that the Order could then kill him.

still snape is not really a good guy, i mean just for the spell he created (he did tell harry about it) than nearly killed malfoy (harry once in a while really should listen to harmione)

That would fit in with my theory that Harry will die in the last book! Rowling seems to like mirroring in the novels (Chamber of Secrets mirrors with HBP, Azkaban mirrors with Phoenix) and I can almost see the last chapter....'The Boy Who Died'.

But then again, you can never really tell... ;)

xSarahx

The books mirror each other :blink:

There's no way JK Rowling would kill off Harry......would she?!

We're talking about a character that she has been writing about for 15 years, I can't see her killing him off even if it is in the very last book. Can you imagine how many angry HP fans there would be? Also the books are enjoyed by children and they'd be too upset if he died!

i havent read the books so i dont know all the details, just that snape kills dumbledore. are you sure theres no chance of him just pretending to be dead :cry: . ;)
he is a wizard so maybe he might come back in the next book, like gandalf did in lord of the rings :) no....well i can wish cant i ;)

how does snape kill him? :ermm:

:ponder: I want to think the worst of Snape but I do think he was acting under Dumbledore's instructions.

I think we will find out eventually what his reasons were for trusting Snape, the repenting Snape wasn't enough.

It did seem to me that he was warning Harry too about having a closed mind, he also made sure the Death Eaters didn't kill Harry reminding them that he was to be left for Voldermort - was that to protect him too?

I also suspect that Snape wanted Harry to learn something from the old detention records :ponder:

I was a little disappointed in that there weren't more Dark Arts lessons covered but maybe Rowling wanted the emphasis taken off Snape to make him more mysterious.
Overall I loved it though, much better than the last, thankfully Harry's hormones were sorted out this year :lol:

Why though does Dumbledore pretend he is not paying attention to Harry until the last minute, couldn't he have just told him he suspected Draco too :rolleyes: and why were Ron and Hermione determined not to believe him :blink:

They were the only things that grated on me, the rest was a pleasure even the house elves

:lol:

Oh and I was a bit miffed that no-one bothered to find out what was wrong with Tonks, I was worried about her the whole time :lol:

Other than Regulus I'm not sure who the initials would stand for, I thought they may have been present for the funeral but it appears not.

I'm a bit worried for Harry now though, he clearly has got some way to go with his spellcasting and who is going to help him now :tear:

:ponder:

Never thought of it that way before. But I must admit I did wonder if JK was planning on killing Harry in the 7th book. They killed each other Harry having to die to save the world etc, etc, etc. :fear:

I HOPE NOT>
Haze

I swear they mentioned something to do with her and Lupin whilst they were in the Hospital wing at the end :ponder:

Avada Kedavra curse :(

:) yeah at the end of the book, throughout it though she was losing weight, couldn't transform her hair to pink, I was quite distraught :lol:

Harry wondered about her but surely could have done a bit more to help :rolleyes:

snape was able to stop every single spell harry was throwing at him, what are the chance he will win again voldemort who is more powerful than snape.

I thought that was mostly because Harry was saying the spells out loud?

Yep, it was I think. I don't think that he has quite mastered the silent spell technique as yet and certainly not under pressure.

:rolleyes: :ermm:

Funny how spoliers were considered more newsworthy than the threat of a falling banner :ermm:

xsarahx

:o I can't believe Rowling killed off Dumbledore :tear:. It came as a complete shock.

That's pretty much what I thought - that Dumbledore maybe pleaded with Snape to do it rather than Malfoy. I'm not entirely convinced Snape is evil either. Of course, it would be more shocking to have Snape kill Dumbledore seeing as Dumbledore was the only person who really trusted him, but all the references to occlumency make me think that there's more to Snape killing Dumbledore than simple betrayal. And a few people have mentioned that Snape seemed to be trying to tell Harry something when he was deflecting his spells, and from the old school records. Also, Snape knew that Harry had his old book, why did he let him keep it? Maybe Dumbledore was already dying from something to do with the injury he had at the start of the book, and he just wanted to set Harry on the path to killing Voldemort before he died and Snape was in on this. Someone else here mentioned the argument that Hagrid overheard between Dumbledore and Snape and that this might have been because Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him when the time came, which seems to fit. But then again, Dumbledore had to know that Harry would go after Snape for killing him so maybe he didn't really trust Snape after all? Especially knowing that Snape was the one who revealled the prophecy to Voldemort and was indirectly responsible for the death of Harry's parents, and that Harry was driven by revenge against Voldemort for killing people he loved - he now has another reason to go after Snape. :shrug: So many questions :lol:

Interesting theories about Harry being a Horcrux :ponder:

there must be a reason to have that scene about snape promising to protect malfoy :ponder:

so who is the half blood prince? :unsure:

Snape - he's a half-blood wizard (father was a muggle and mother was pure-blood IIRC :unsure: ) and his mother's maiden name was Prince so he took the nickname from that :)

so hes not an actual prince its just like a nickname? :unsure:

A nickname he gave himself :) He was proud of being half a pure blood prince.

I originally thought it would be Snape when I first heard of the book's title, but thought it was referring to him as some kind of half vampire, in a prince of darkness way. Not in a Ozzy Osbourne way, of course :unsure:

xsarahx

I really had no idea who it could be and when I was reading it I was convinced the HBP was Voldemort (because Rowling really played up his backstory). When it was finally revealled I almost missed that the HBP was Snape because of everything else that was going on :blush: :lol:

Have you read the book? :lol: :lol: