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Now I do hope this does happens - how on earth will the Save Enterprise lot cope with it?

Actually, this does remind me of a petition way back in 1999 to get an 8th season for DS9, which was cancelled as soon as they saw the finale since they claimed 'they could not continue it without severly dimishing it'...

I don't get it though. So what are they saying, that Trip is more important than the show itself ?? That it can't continue without him ?? :rolleyes:

Given how Trek has been built round Archer, Trip and T'Pol, I would think you'd find a lot of Enterprise fans comparing it to killing off Spock or McCoy :rolleyes:

Trouble is that they're stuck in a way - had they said 'Mayweather will die', no-one would really care :)

This is, of course, very true :lol:

Well, I wouldn't watch a 5th season without even a possibility of naked trip flesh being on show :drool:

But they are kind ofwimping out a bit at the end though. A holodeck recreation? Is that how the much mooted BRB is going to be used? The whole thing was a holodeck program, none of it really happened, ha ha!

Oh God I hope not. It may have been bad, but it doesn't deserve a Bobby Ewing style ending :fear: :fear:

But surely the only way B&B could go out is with the ultimate BRB - one which would cancel out an entire series! :)

As far as Enterprise is concerned, perhaps this is one instance, where a BRB ending might actually be beneficial :rolleyes:

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It doesn't feature time travel, but does feature a holodeck ?? Oh dear, this is sounding more and more like a BRB ending :unsure:

Crap!

And I just wrote Archer into my "Looking Glass War" story.

Now I find out that he never really existed?

That is so :shit:

I'm not so sure he never existed, more like a holodeck retrospective of Archer's adventures.

Berman speaks;

So Berman gets the idea that episodic commentaries for the DVDs are a good thing, NOW ?? Shame that didn't dawn on him before the entire range had been released already :rolleyes:

if they pull that the ENTERPRISE (archer's) never existed I will kill B+B myself (T**t's the pair of them)

I don't think they'll erase the entire series Ken.

Given what we know about the finale, and the appearance of certain characters, my money's on it being a holodeck simulation on the Titan, of the founding of the Federation.

I had heard that the simulation was aboard the Enterprise D and not the Titan. But that's internet rumour for you. Until it's broadcast (or downloaded) we'll not know for sure.

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Looks like you're probaby right with it being on the Enterprise D Jamie. Wonder which episode it is ??

It would appear to be set during The Pegasus.

Aside from the fact Riker and Troi looking 12 years older, of course :)

And am I the only person unsurprised to see sodding Spiner shoehorning his way in again? :)

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At least he's not onscreen, but you're right Phillip. Every opportunity he gets at the moment :rolleyes:

Do you think he's finally realised that people aren't really that interested in him outside of Trek ?? :lol:

Interesting episode, The Pegasus, where've you heard that Phillip ??

Maybe so - perhaps he'll eventually realise people aren;t interested in seeing him in Trek either :)

I've seen it bandied around in the Enterprise section of TrekBBS - more than likely it's come from one of those unofficial reports from people on-set :) Sadly I've not got the patience the read through the entire threads about it - it seems to be mainly the stupid idiots there whinging about it :)

Interesting. I can't really see how it would fit in the episode, other than it making reference to the treaty of Algeron. I thought the finale was concerned with the founding of the Federation though, not the conclusion of the Romulan war. Of course that's another source of annoyance; "Yeah, we know you all wanted to see the Romulan war, but hey, here you go, here's the conclusion of it....." :rolleyes:

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Ok, this actually worked out a lot better than I anticipated. Most things worked well, there were a few things that worked less well, but overall, in the grand tradition that we've (mostly) come to be used to, this one's a rather fitting finale.

The first thing that sprung to mind towards the episode's conclusion was that I'd have loved this one to have gone on to a second episode. That being said however, the episode worked well as a single episode, and would perhaps have had to have had too much padding to fill a second hour.

What makes this episode stand out from the rest of the season ?? Well again, like a lot of this season, they kind of played to the fans, with the signing of the treaty. However, in reality, this played second fiddle, to some fantastic characterisation for once. If they'd have done this before now, the show wouldn't have been in half as much trouble as it's all too often found itself in recent years.

It's an odd episode, perspective-wise. It's more of a TNG episode, being set during the events of TNG's The Pegasus. To be honest, the connection between the episode and this one is tenuous at best, and never really makes too much sense. There are the cameos from Frakes and Sirtis (both looking a little older, and Sirtis' cockney accent slipping through more than it ever did on TNG), there's a verbal cameo from Brent Spiner as Data, and towards the closing credits there are voiceovers (stock footage) from Pat Stewart and Shatner. The good ol' 1701-D makes an appearance or two as well.

The episode does well, it hit's it marks effectively, providing a little drama, pulling on the old heart strings in the right places, all to provide a solid finale. Not brilliant but equally, not bad, and by some distance, IMO, an improvement over much of this season.

The highlight of the episode for me though was the characterisation and interaction. Oddly, it seemed to be Frakes that held all that side of the episode together. All of the cast got time with him, and all of them turned in decent scenes. To facilitate this, Riker takes Troi's advice and poses as the NX-01's surrogate counsellor, ie. the Chef. The move's a masterstroke, allowing Riker to interact with all of the cast at different points of the episode, drawing insights and characterisation out of them. Hell, even Travis and Hoshi get to have a go !! The particular highlight for myself however were his scenes with Trip. Connor Trinneer's always been one of the show's better assets, and here it's no different.

The moments directly before the closing credits were a little worrying I must admit. For a second or two there I honestly thought the ENT gang were going to be hijacked by the TNGers. What we get instead is a little more satisfying. A nice tip of the hat.

As the final credits rolled I must admit I wasn't crushed to any degree approaching that which I was for TNG or DS9, but at least I wasn't left shouting at the TV like I was for Endgame :rolleyes:

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ive just seen this episode and i must say it was much better than people said it would be, i think in the grand scheme of things it worked very well including the scenes Riker was in, the episode actually gave an ending to it even though you dont see enterprise returning to earth or the speech. but the end bit where you see the three incarnations of enterprise and the three captains each saying their bit of 'these are the voyages' (looks better than it sounds') it really ends it with the sense of the end of enterprise and the end of a trek era.

good episode in all! :thumbsup:

As I said earlier, I was a little concerned when that sequence started, it looked for all the world that Archer's adventures were about to conclude on the holodeck, with the TNGers hijacking the final scene. Glad to say though that the little sequence worked really well imo.

i know what you mean it was a little unnerving to say the least, shame you didnt get to hear the speech though!

I also thought it was a good episode on the whole. I didn't really see how Riker looking at that particular incident helped him come to his decision, but then I suppose the Troi didn't know exactly what Riker needed advise on when she recommended it. I also noticed that Sirtis went a bit coclney, as if she had forgotten how to play Troi. As for the ending sequence, I liked it, but Archer didn't say his bit very dramatically and it let the sequence down: Much like Archers place in the history of the Enterprise I suppose. :)

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I thought it was OK. Not great but OK. The idea of fitting into the Pegasus ep was quite good IMO. It was nice to see Riker and Troi, even if 'Fatty' Frakes looks a bit ridiculous in a star fleet uniform these days.

It was nice to see the signing of the treaty, although I'd like that to have been more central to the story. The story with Shran almost seemed to have been tagged on as an afterthought. The death of trip was a little rushed, but was pretty good. He has been the star of the show since ep 1.

It didn't really leave me feeling sad, although there have been a few decent episodes recently. I suppose it was a decent epitaph for Enterprise.

You did get that speech in the episode before, but I thought that was cheesy in the extreme.

Well, that was a disappointment (no change there :))

I didn't have a problem with Riker or Troi being there (although Frakes's expanding waistline didn't help me believe this was set during TNG).

The problem I had was this was a piss-poor finale. There was no real story at all - much like 'In a Mirror, Darkly' Part 2 it seemed to be a collection of set-pieces. While this might have worked for a regular episode (maybe a season finale), it was a waste of a finale.

Still, the 'Space, final frontier' monologue at the end was nice, and it was a nice touch to see the Enterprise return to which ever planet in the Rigel system they went to in 'Broken Bow'...

I am sooooooooooo sad and disapointed, i think that could be the worse final episode of a series i have ever watched :cry: they didnt even finish with the true cast having the last to say (for those of you that watched the last epp of Buffy and were miffed about Dawn getting the last line well that was nothing compared to this) At the start i was thinking oh this looks like it will be a funky weird epp but how wrong was i !!! it was boring and centred around Riker not that i have anything against him but this was the last ever episode of enterprise it should of had my heart racing and my eyes leaking

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Dr Noah wept.

I felt a little tinge when Trip died (he was the best thing in the show)

But overall, passable at best. The use of Riker and Troi (and Data to a much lesser extent) to make one last ditch attempt to make us care for these characters failed miserably. Highlights were the new CGI shots of the Enterprise D :thumbsup: and the shots of the "Real" original Enterprise that were lifted from Trials and Tribblations (if I'm not mistaken)

Good to hear 2 real Enterprise Captains during the final speech.

Overall, a bit blehhh.

Hmmm, you've obviously missed Voyager's Endgame then......;)

Damn! I got terribly confused yesterday. I didn't go to w**k on Monday, and I ended up thinking yesterday was Monday, and I missed this :wacko: :rolleyes:

According to my guide it's repeated on Sky One at 4.00pm on Saturday

Thanks Tony :thumbsup:

This was a little strange but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Yes, Marina Sirtis sounded at times as though she was joining Eastenders and yes, the next movie could be called 'The Search for Rioker's Waistline' but it was good to see them back one last time. It seemed to be two different episodes at once. I always like Shran (being one of the better things of the whole series, imo) though I didn't understand why Trip had to die. Was it me or did everyone get over that rather quickly? Then again, since holographic technology won't be invented for another 200 years maybe they got a few things wrong. Or maybe it was more like a holonovel.

I liked the way thet Riker flitted about as Chef interacting with the crew, though how that helped him make his decision was beyond me but it was certainly an ingenious concept. I also liked the little touches; Mauyweather (I think) saying "All Good Things" and the shows last words being "End Program" and, of course, the "Space. The final frontier" bit with Archer reverting to the original where no man has gone before.

Not the greatest of finales, which surely belongs to "What you leave behind", but a good end to the series and to Star Trek.

I enjoyed it. As Phillip said, as an episode as part of a season, or a season finale, it would have worked well. But I've enjoyed Enterprise pretty much all the way through, and I think the show deserved better as a finale.

As it was, the appearences of Frakes and Sirtis took some of the limelight away from the Enterprise crew, and really, as it was the finale, they should have taken centre stage IMO.

As an episode, I really liked it. I loved the idea of Riker posing as Chef, and getting the crew to reveal their innermost feelings... a clever idea I thought. Even if the crew were just holographic representations.

Tucker was easily the best character in the show, and he's become one of my all time favourite Trek characters. So it was sad to see him die. Great idea too, to put the Riker/Trip sequence after Tucker's death. At least it was a heroic death, which was well deserved for this character. :tear:

Like everyone else has said, well done for the 'These are the voyages' sequence at the end was great too.

Lets just hope this enforced hiatus isn't going to be too long, and that if and when Trek returns, it will be stronger than ever.

Andrew (HM) :yahoo:

Too right Tony :thumbsup:

I'd agree with some of your points as well Andrew. Trip, by far and away was the best character adorning Enterprise. He's one of the few characters they actually got right IMO, and fair play to Connor Trinneer he did a first rate job in the role. Sometimes his dialogue was laid on a little too thick but still, a character that realistically would stand up well in any of the other incarnations of Star Trek. It's a pity that CT was (somewhat) wasted in that given the right material, and given a successful series, he could well have made Trip one of Trek's greats.

Re the enforced hiatus, I have to say at this point I'm missing the franchise, but to be honest, I have been for a few years. Enterprise kind of tailed off, particularly in the past 12 months IMO. After the good w**k of season 3, season 4 was still IMO a backwards step.

The one positive to cling on to however is that come the return, neither Berman or Braga will likely be let anywhere near it, and we can but pray that Joe Straczynski get's his hands on the franchise. He's a longtime fan of TOS and given the amazing stories he managed to weave with both B5 and Jeremiah I've no doubt he's produce Trek that would probably eclipse even DS9.

Let's hope it's not too long......

Hi James

As I've said before I've (mostly) enjoyed this last season but that's probably due to the "Blessed are they that expect nothing...." idea.

It occurred to me to wonder whether S4 should really habe been S1. It had so many references to TOS that it would have made it feel like it was bridging the gap between NX01 and NCC1701, which it never managed to do imo (worthy exceptions being the Andorians). Trouble is it never seemed to know what it's direction was. One minute we had the Suliban and the temporal cold war (what happened to that btw), then we were off to the Xindi arc and although S3 was the best in my view, there was nothing really pre-federation Trek about it. Kirk or Picard could have done that (not Janeway obviously because she'd have got lost) :naughty: Then we get S4 and it seems like someone decided to cram as many TOS ideas in there as possible. I was still half expecting Joan Collins to show up.

Still, as you say, as long as the gruesome twosome are kept well away we can only hope for better things in the future

I have a feeling that the hiatus will only extend a year or two. This time next year, Paramount will be wondering where the big hole in their tv revenue has come from and figure it out.

So my guess is, we'll have to sit tight till 2007 at the latest.

With no B&B involvement it could be great.

It'll lie fallow for three years IMO. If I'm not mistaken that's how long Berman has left on his contract with Paramount.

To be honest, I doubt very much that the lack of a current TV series will affect Paramount's coffers too much, especially considering they're now tied in with Viacom and CBS.

It'll be back I'm sure, but realistically I think all concerned with the production of the franchise were well aware that it needed a well deserved break from the air. They should really have realised that after Voyager ended but didn't. Another series so soon on the heels of Enterprise would in all probability yield the same lacklustre performance.

Paramount/Viacom will still be making an absolute bundle from the franchise as well, what with the Trek merchandising side of things still being in full swing :rolleyes: Look out for updated DVD releases in the next year or two complete this time with audio commentaries no doubt :rolleyes: Never underestimate the ability of Paramount to yank that last drop of milk from the blessed cash cow ;)