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| re: Goodbye all. Bester - 254th post - 25 Feb 2005 21:35 Time for me to disappear beyond the veil as well. Happy times people, and see most of ya at t'other place! Everyone else, >>God be between you and harm in all the empty places where you must walk<< [Complain about this post] re: Goodbye all. Bester - 253rd post - 25 Feb 2005 21:29 Thanks for your efforts Emily, and all the best for the future. It won't quite be the same without having this place to drop by every now and then. [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish Bester - 254th post - 25 Feb 2005 21:27 We've long since suspected that you were on the wind up Karl. Good of you to own up to it in the end. I'm sure everyone had an inkling, given the absolute outlandishness of some of the stuff you were coming out with! I'm sure Andrew, John, Tony and James appreciate your late honesty Karl. [Complain about this post] Scifi247 com brand new community Mercurybay - 2nd post - 25 Feb 2005 21:16 Very sorry to see the BBC message boards closing. :-( You are all welcome to join a brand new Scifi community at Scifi247 com If you like Scifi you will love Scifi 247. Take care everybody and have fun. :-) [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish DaRk PhOeNiX - 8th post - 25 Feb 2005 20:51 I take it you're not coming to the cult tv boards then Carla? Oh well, it's all out in the open now. [Complain about this post] re: Goodbye all. jamie armour - 1083rd post - 25 Feb 2005 20:42 Goodbye Emily. I know I may have pushed/stretched some of the bounds now and again (I was provoked) but I will miss the boards when they close. A thought did occur earlier, what's going to happen to you guys? Are you being sent to purgatory (the radio 4 boards) or have you been assigned as the new D.G? Goodbye to these boards we will not see your like again. Oh wait, yes we will, just hop over to the cult tv boards. [Complain about this post] re: Goodbye all. Steve - 664th post - 25 Feb 2005 20:37 Goodbye Emily! [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish jamie armour - 1080th post - 25 Feb 2005 20:35 Well Carl, the refreshing honesty is late but welcome. [Complain about this post] re: If Star Trek hadn't existed...... jamie armour - 1079th post - 25 Feb 2005 20:31 Sounds good to me:) [Complain about this post] Goodbye all. Emily B - HOST - 163rd post - 25 Feb 2005 20:18 Just a final post to say goodbye, good luck, and thanks for posting with us for so long. Remember, you can leave a final goodbye message by using the form at http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/cult/2005/02/24/17228.shtml We'll keep the resulting page up as long as people keep visiting it. We'll miss you all. All the best for the future, and lots of love. Emily B [Complain about this post] re: If Star Trek hadn't existed...... Odds On - 3rd post - 25 Feb 2005 20:10 Probably talking about Doctor Who! [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish Cheap Jack - 844th post - 25 Feb 2005 20:04 I know I said my easlier post was my last one, but I think I have to set the record straight before it's too late. You've all been quite right, I have indeed been winding you all up. I know it's silly, but I've not got much else to do. The truth of it is, I don't even like Star Trek all that much. I'm sure Val and the others will get a kick out of this, but I actually prefer Babylon 5. You were right all along, it's so much better. To the people who I've annoyed for very little reason, I'm sorry. Andrew/Hovis - you have my unreserved apologies. You have often shown a grace and humility that I can only dream of ever having. TV Yank/Little Raven - you outclassed me time and time again. How I can only wish to one day be able to form posts with the craft and knowledge that you always displayed in yours. Number Six/Tony - I'm not a member of Mensa, and I've never taken a test. I was winding you up. I'm ashamed to say that I was intimidated by the intelligence shown by other posters here, and felt it necessary to embelish a few things. Neither do I possess any karate skills. I once hit a brown belt over the head, from behind, whilst he wasn't looking. Angel/Valhalla Sector - what can I say ? The better man eventually won. I know no one actually bought any of my arguments, and my deflectory tactics won me few friends, but it was the only way I could respond to your informed posts. Mine is the art of misquote and misrepresentation, they're the only real tools I have. To everyone else, I apologise for any and every offence that I've committed on this board. I'm sorry that I, time and time again, resorted to childish tactics/comments to try and win arguments in the face of insurmountable odds. I would finally like to apologise to the Mods and Hosts, I realise I should have been banned many months ago, your patience is vast. So finally, I'd just like to say, please, please, please let me join the cult tv boards. I've nowhere else to go. And for the record, the Radio Times Guide to Science Fiction does actually state that Babylon 5 is better than Star Trek, and I did fall for last year's April Fool's day prank and actually believed that TJ Hooker was going to appear on Enterprise. This is Carl Rylander signing off. Basement One, over and out. [Complain about this post] re: If Star Trek hadn't existed.... Nicholas Kingsley - 106th post - 25 Feb 2005 19:46 Even more computer time... [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish Tiberian_Storm - 8th post - 25 Feb 2005 19:45 Very sorry to see the BBC message boards closing. :-( You are all welcome to join a brand new scifi community just type Scifi247 into google. If you like Scifi you will love Scifi 247. Take care everybody and have fun. :-) [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish Valhalla Sector - 812th post - 25 Feb 2005 17:51 Guess, it's time for my final post as well. Like the others, I'll miss this place. I think I've been here longer than most. The Beeb boards were the first online community I stumbled across many years ago when I first got internet access. That was about 6 or 7 years ago. They were different then; I think from memory there were Trek, XF and Buffy boards, alongside Blake's 7, Roswell and a few others. Over the years, these boards have played host to some great people and some great debates. Some have gone, others are still here, and whilst my own involvement here hasn't been of late what it used to be, I've always considered these boards as a kind of home, I'd always check them before anywhere else. Like Jamie, I'll miss them. Most of the regulars will remain together, which is a consolation. Like Tony, I sometimes found the moderation a little bemusing, but generally felt that the Hosts themselves have been fair. I guess it's rather fitting that this place's fate was sealed around the same time as that of it's subject, Star Trek. So, sayonara all, see you at the other place, and for those not there, take care, and wait for Trek's return. It will come back. It always does :) "And though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are -- One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield." Su'nahan, Nee'zhalen. James [Complain about this post] If Star Trek hadn't existed...... jamie armour - 1079th post - 25 Feb 2005 17:17 What would we all be doing here? That weird notion just popped into my head. Strange that, thinking about the board closing made me wonder what would have happened if it had never existed int he first place. That led to the topic of this thread. Well, what would we be doing right now? I haven't a clue. :D [Complain about this post] re: Sound in Space prophecy girl - 44073rd post - 25 Feb 2005 16:22 normally in september [Complain about this post] re: Sound in Space John Connor - 874th post - 25 Feb 2005 16:16 If you would like to see a science-fiction series without sounds in space try Joss Wheadon's Firefly. An excellent series sadly cancelled but has been given a reprieve to make a big-screen movie based on a series called Serenity due to hit cinemas either this year or next [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish Number Six - 278th post - 25 Feb 2005 15:42 So say we all. This board was my first experience of online discussion and it was good to find that I was not alone in my fondness for Star Trek in all it's forms (some more than others admittedly). With the (very) odd exception I've met a decent bunch of people on here and have enjoyed exchanging views and watching others exchange their views. The standard of moderation has been a constant source of amusement and I look forward to seeing some of the mods when next I buy a Big Mac. So farewell Trek board. You will be missed. [Complain about this post] re: Star Trek on High Definition DVD John Connor - 869th post - 25 Feb 2005 13:53 I wouldn't concern yourself with the next generation DVDs (HD DVD/Blu Ray) unless you can afford thousands of pounds for all the kit to watch it on, even then there is no guarantee that those formats will succeed DVD. If I were you I would pick up the current special edition Star Trek DVDs because those New formats are a long way off especially for us in the UK. I think the US and Japan get them late this year and there will be limited films available which to begin with will cost an awful lot of money. I think you're wrong about First Contact being available on HD DVD, I'm fairly certain that there are no films available in the format at the moment because you can't even buy the players yet, although it could be one of the early releases. [Complain about this post] The man himself... Cheap Jack - 843rd post - 25 Feb 2005 12:49 I think I'd better leave it to the man himself to form my last post... Beyond The rim of the starlight My love Is wandering in starflight I know He'll find in star-clustered reaches Love, Strange love a star woman teaches I know His journey ends never His star trek Will go on forever But tell him While he wanders his starry sea Remember, remember me. - Gene Roddenberry. Best wishes to all posters, Carl. [Complain about this post] The end is nigh pt 3 Andrew Southgate - 143rd post - 25 Feb 2005 11:28 Well, onto DS9. I wonder if my choice here may a bit odd, in view of the fact the show gave us so many classics. I don't think this is one of them, but I love it, for various reasons. I've chosen 'Explorers' from season 3. Sisko returns from a trip to Bajor where he's been celebrating the opening of a new library which includes many writings dating back thousands of years. Sisko brings back the plans for an 800 year old vessel which, according to legend, travelled to Cardassia. (The Cardassians poo-poo this idea of course!) Sisko builds a replica, and sets sail with Jake, to the Denorius Belt, just to prove the vessel was spaceworthy. Meanwhile, Bashir's old rival from medical school arrives on the station. The Siskos voyage almosts ends in disaster when the solar sails are wrecked by tachyon eddies, but the vessel is somehow propelled to the Cardassian system, where a somewhat shamefaced Dukat welcomes them, and announces, by coincidence, that Cardassian archaeologists had only just uncovered evidence of a Bajoran visit to Cardassia which ties in with the voyage of the original vessel. A low key episode, which contrasts nicely with the bang and crash drama of the Dominion War we saw later. A great character piece. Love the relationship between the two Sisko's. Jake is everything that Wes wasn't in TNG. Well, basically likeable. Loved Jake trying to set Ben up with the freighter captain! Obviously Kassidy Yates. Jake obviously has great taste in women! Some great moments between Bashir and O'Brien too. 'I used to hate you when you first arrived on the station, Julian, and now.... well, I don't hate you at all.' (Excuse the misquote!) My favourite moment had to be seeing Dukat with his tail between his legs when the Sisko's received their welcome in Cardassian space. I'm not going to trumpet this episode as a great. There are many others that are much better. But I loved it, loved the interaction between the characters. Character development is much stronger in DS9 than in any other Trek show, and this episode highlights that. Take care, Andrew (HM) [Complain about this post] re: And so, the end is, well, here(ish Andrew Southgate - 142nd post - 25 Feb 2005 11:10 Great words, Jamie That sums up my view of these boards to a word. Met some great folks here, and the occaisional oddball. Sometimes, it's been frustrating, but always fun. Thought provoking too, sometimes. There are other places to go to now, but I will always have a soft spot for these boards because, as Jamie says, we had a bit of a community here. The surroundings weren't perfect sure. Especially the opening hours which restricted posting possibilities, especially our friends from other parts of the world. Take care all, and hope to see some more of you over on the cult tv boards, as Jamie says. Andrew (HM) [Complain about this post] And so, the end is, well, here(ish jamie armour - 1075th post - 25 Feb 2005 10:50 In just under 12 hours, the boards will close for the final time. So I feel that a summation of my time here may be fitting. I posted one previously, but it was removed as someone took offence. But I'm a persistent kind of guy so here I go again...... When I first ventured onto these boards I was completely clueless, I was a self confessed technophobe. I knew how computers worked obviously, but using them for entertainment seemed alien to me. They were infernal devices used by employers to torture people LOL. Here is where I got my first taste of what came to be known as an "online community". I made friends here, which I found doubly odd as usually I'm more selective in my choice of friends;) Only kidding. It opened my eyes, almost literally, to the possibilities and the fun to be had out here. I grew to enjoy my times here, more and more. There were always lively discussions between empassioned voices, arguments with nary a resolution in sight. Even what seemed like open hostilities, but the sense of community remained. In fact it got stronger, people learn from discussion and debate, people form new ideas from every argument, while some can never be swayed from their views, at least here there was no avoiding the views of others. It was there in black and white, well, blue and white but you get what I mean LOL. I've found it difficult to find another place like this on the web, with more individual voices, more ideas, more creativity flying around on any average day, and now, they're closing. I'm not happy about many things that have happened on this board in particular in recent years, troll invasions forced moderator interventions, it all pained me immensely. But still, through all of the bickering and the back biting the community grew closer. A possible reaction to the arrival of a common foe, who knows. As I've said already, but I'm not ashamed to repeat myself, I will miss this place. It's memories, it's open door policy to anyone with an opinion, (whatever that may be). I hope as many of you make the jump to the cult tv boards, as I know many of you already have, but there are still others here, whom I will miss, ( and some, not so much) and would regret never hearing from again. May these boards rest in peace. May the memory remain bright, for the sheer joy they brought to so many. [Complain about this post] re: Boards closing on Friday jamie armour - 1073rd post - 25 Feb 2005 10:33 Oh come come Stewie. The Beeb don't have to answer to us. It's not as though we pay them or anything.... Errr oh wait, we do. [Complain about this post] |
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| The End Is Nigh Andrew Southgate - 136th post - 23 Feb 2005 09:17 Well, we are getting close to the shutdown of the BBC Cult TV boards, so I thought I’d start winding down my own contributions to the board. Many of the posts I’ve contributed to this board have been potted reviews, mainly of TNG and early DS9 episodes. They’ve been thin on the ground recently due to pressure of w**k. I thought it may be fun to wind down with a review of one episode from each series. I’ve decided to go for some of my favourites, an episode that’s had an impact on me, or had images that have stuck in my mind for one reason or another. Being boring and unoriginal, I’ll start with The Original Series. I’ve chosen season One’s ‘Shore Leave’. It has images that have stuck with me since I first saw it as a kid. One of the things I like about The Original Series was the mixture of stories which blended tales of the Trek universe, with pure sci-fi stories with a Trek spin. The story of a pleasure planet where everything you wish for can come true, and the moral of being careful what you wish for seems as though it comes from a 1950’s pulp sci-fi magazine. On the face of it, it’s a fun episode, but is actually quite thought provoking. What would you wish for? Would it have any unpleasant consequences? An advance party beam down to a seemingly idyllic, uninhabited planet, ahead of the crew taking shore leave and a well deserved rest. Amongst other strangeness, Bones muses about Alice in Wonderland and sees the rabbit and Alice. Sulu finds a gun he’s always wanted. Kirk thinks about his academy days and meets the bully Finnegan (the first in a long line of Oirish portrayals on Trek… see TNG’s ‘Up the Long Ladder’ or VOY’s Fairhaven episodes. (Thank goodness for Miles O’Brien!)) Of course, Kirk also meets a long lost love. Events come to a head when McCoy is killed protecting Kirk’s yeoman from a knight. Kirk demands answers, and the planet’s caretaker emerges, explaining that he is from a highly sophisticated race who use the planet for recreation. Essentially, the planet is harmless, he says, as Bones emerges, as good as new. All good fun. Love the chemistry between Kirk and Spock, and Kirk and McCoy. Spock actually has quite a dry wit, doesn’t he! Loved the exchange at the start of the episode when Spock cons Kirk into taking shore leave. It’s very clear how society has changed since the 1960’s, particularly re the attitude to women. I can’t imagine Torres or Dax acting the way the Yeoman does when placed under stress. And of course the outfits are totally sexist. Can you imagine modern Trek being quite so blatently sexist? (Oh, I forgot… Seven’s skimpy outfits and heels, and T’Pol’s nipples!) Well, having watched ‘Shore Leave’ I’m now eager to watch all of them. But tonight it will be a TNG episode. Take care, Andrew (HM) [Complain about this post] re: The End Is Nigh jamie armour - 1065th post - 23 Feb 2005 14:02 Hey Andrew. Good to see you here before the end. I watched S1 again just after Christmas when I got the Doc season 1 as a gift. I loved the sheer escapism of this episode. The characterisation and the "subversive" lesson hidden in the entertainment was great fun. To address your notion of sexism and the skimpy outfits, I feel that Gene addressed this in the first season of TNG. I can still remember my mother nearly fainting when she saw the first male crew member dressed in one of those snazzy mini skirted outfits LOL. I'm looking forward to you review of a TNG ep. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. [Complain about this post] re: The End Is Nigh Andrew Southgate - 138th post - 23 Feb 2005 16:06 Lol, Jamie! I'd almost forgotten the male mini dresses! I'm glad they didn't catch on. I never did see them in the shops along with the replica uniform tops! Not sure Worf would have looked too good in a skirt, and I always imagined Patrick Stewart having spindly legs with knobbly knees for some reason. I doubt that would have been a pretty sight! Will be watching my TNG ep of choice tonight, along with the DS9 one, in view of the fact the board seems to be shutting on Friday, and not Monday, as I thought. (I'm sure it was Monday, or was it just me that had that impression?) Andrew (HM) [Complain about this post] re: The End Is Nigh jamie armour - 1066th post - 23 Feb 2005 17:54 Oh, can I reccomend a TNG episode? Night Terrors. Scared the cr*p out of me the first and every time I've seen it. [Complain about this post] re: The End Is Nigh Andrew Southgate - 139th post - 23 Feb 2005 16:07 Lol, Jamie! I'd almost forgotten the male mini dresses! I'm glad they didn't catch on. I never did see them in the shops along with the replica uniform tops! Not sure Worf would have looked too good in a skirt, and I always imagined Patrick Stewart having spindly legs with knobbly knees for some reason. I doubt that would have been a pretty sight! Will be watching my TNG ep of choice tonight, along with the DS9 one, in view of the fact the board seems to be shutting on Friday, and not Monday, as I thought. (I'm sure it was Monday, or was it just me that had that impression?) Andrew (HM) [Complain about this post] re: The End Is Nigh Cheap Jack - 824th post - 23 Feb 2005 15:31 I watched 'The Man Trap' again the other day. Still like it. It's still eery and weird, with all those wind noises. You really do believe you're on an alien planet where the sky is orange and ends about fifteen feet away and the rocks are rubbery and bend when you stand on them! William Shatner's hairline is about the same position as mine is now - I am the same age is he was then. I hope this doesn't bode badly for me!! |
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| The End Is Nigh part 2 Andrew Southgate - 141st post - 24 Feb 2005 12:09 So, here we are with my Next Gen episode. So many to choose from here… should I go for ‘The Inner Light’, ‘Tapestry’, ‘The Offspring’ or ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ to name just a tiny handful. Jamie nearly caused me to rethink when he mentioned ‘Night Terrors’ yesterday, as that one always gives me the willies too, but I stuck to the original plan. ‘Darmok’ was an episode that’s stuck in my mind ever since I first saw it many years back on the Beeb, for it’s difference and originality, and pure Trekness where alien races overcome difficulties to reach understanding. I guess problems in communication are quite topical here, so maybe this was a good choice. The Enterprise encounters a Tamarian ship. The Tamarians are a race with a language very difficult to understand, and previous contact has been fruitless. The Tamarians take direct action and beam their captain, Dathon to the surface of the planet El-Adrel 4 and Picard as a kill or cure attempt to achieve understanding. The two join forces to combat a bizarre electromagnetic creature, but Dathon ends up being fatally wounded. Picard realises that the Tamarians communicate using metaphor, describing events taken from their mythology. ‘Shaka when the walls fell’ indicates failure. ‘Tembra, his arms wide’ means to offer and share a gift. ‘Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra’ means to reach understanding and friendship by fighting a common enemy. Sadly, Dathon dies as Picard is rescued by the Enterprise. Picard manages to avert disaster by using his new understanding and telling the Tamarians what happened on the planet, and how Dathon gave his life for greater understanding. ‘Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel.’ A truly wonderful episode, Trek at it’s best; doing the kind of thing it does best. An episode all about coming together, and understanding. As usual, Patrick Stewart is outstanding, and guest Paul Winfield is outstanding as Dathon. I loved the moment where Dathon shares the fire with Picard - ‘Tembra, his arms wide’ and Picard begins to grasp what is going on. Inspired too, to use the Epic of Gilgamesh as Picard’s choice of human mythology. (Will have to read it again, I think!) ‘Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk.’ Great stuff! Take care, Andrew (HM) [Complain about this post] re: The End Is Nigh part 2 Valhalla Sector - 811th post - 24 Feb 2005 18:57 Nice choice Andrew :) There are a plethora of episodes that could be chosen, and Darmok is very much up there with the best of them. Another one, that's often overlooked in the face of some of the more commonly recognised classics is the third season episode 'Who Watches the Watchers'. Ray Wise is marvellous in the story, and Pat Stewart has some wonderful scenes. Picard and the Starfleet crew are seen as gods by the primitive indigenous population. The journey towards enlightenment and realisation that these people are indeed not gods, but mortal souls liable to the same frailties as themselves is some pretty powerful storytelling. it remains one of my favourite episodes from the entire run. |
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| The end is nigh pt 3 Andrew Southgate - 143rd post - 25 Feb 2005 11:28 Well, onto DS9. I wonder if my choice here may a bit odd, in view of the fact the show gave us so many classics. I don't think this is one of them, but I love it, for various reasons. I've chosen 'Explorers' from season 3. Sisko returns from a trip to Bajor where he's been celebrating the opening of a new library which includes many writings dating back thousands of years. Sisko brings back the plans for an 800 year old vessel which, according to legend, travelled to Cardassia. (The Cardassians poo-poo this idea of course!) Sisko builds a replica, and sets sail with Jake, to the Denorius Belt, just to prove the vessel was spaceworthy. Meanwhile, Bashir's old rival from medical school arrives on the station. The Siskos voyage almosts ends in disaster when the solar sails are wrecked by tachyon eddies, but the vessel is somehow propelled to the Cardassian system, where a somewhat shamefaced Dukat welcomes them, and announces, by coincidence, that Cardassian archaeologists had only just uncovered evidence of a Bajoran visit to Cardassia which ties in with the voyage of the original vessel. A low key episode, which contrasts nicely with the bang and crash drama of the Dominion War we saw later. A great character piece. Love the relationship between the two Sisko's. Jake is everything that Wes wasn't in TNG. Well, basically likeable. Loved Jake trying to set Ben up with the freighter captain! Obviously Kassidy Yates. Jake obviously has great taste in women! Some great moments between Bashir and O'Brien too. 'I used to hate you when you first arrived on the station, Julian, and now.... well, I don't hate you at all.' (Excuse the misquote!) My favourite moment had to be seeing Dukat with his tail between his legs when the Sisko's received their welcome in Cardassian space. I'm not going to trumpet this episode as a great. There are many others that are much better. But I loved it, loved the interaction between the characters. Character development is much stronger in DS9 than in any other Trek show, and this episode highlights that. Take care, Andrew (HM) |