Hi everyone, ive been a star trek fan for a few years now, grandparents watch it alot and i startrd watching it with them, and ive noticed, especially in the new enterprise (im in no way saying its rubbish) but i fail to see where they are boldly going, no starfleet command, no UFOP, no real strategic episodes like TOS and TNG and i fail to see the ship living up to the name it has been given, i feel the producers need to give the ship a more 'we wont be destroyed feel' rather than 'were new in space please dont hurt us'

what do you think?????

i also think while im on the subject a prequel film would be a bad idea!!!!

Mr B - *rant over* :thumbsup:

You won't find many people disagreeing with you there Mr B :thumbsup: (Ken, feel free to interject here) :lol:

Likewise on the prequal movie. Bad idea.

Not surprisingly, at the heart of both are Messrs Berman and Braga. Please, someone, take them away now :rolleyes:

Welcome to the boards :)

Thanks, i agree totally, get some fresh blood on star trek, braga and co have bbeen at it too long and fail to see what Gene Roddenbury saw when he wrote and produced star trek, i have to say they have done a brilliant job but time for fresh input.

i heared one of the other film ideas the other week - set at startfleet academy , very bad idea

Mr B

The Starfleet Academy idea's been knocking around since Star Trek IV. They've always seen sense up until now though.

Star Trek 90210: The Adventures of Young Wesley Crusher :x

LOL - just imagine it a load of young trainees shouting sir what shall i do the ferengi are attacking us!!!

rather see kirk or picard have a real dog fight than a bunch of non qualified personnel thinking thet can do what they want!!!

Maybe another fil from picard, the final one, see the demise of the enterprise 'E' and picard in a fight to the death for earth?????

Wasn't that Nemesis ?? ;)

yeah but i mean a bigger and better version a one where picard lives up to his words and goes down with his ship, nemesis was a good idea for a film but should of been planned more IMO

i believe TNG was probably the best star trek series and think braga and co should try to keep other series near to what TNG did.

There's very little chance of that Mr B. Braga thinks he knows Trek better than Gene ever did :rolleyes:

The only way forward at this point is to put the franchise on hiatus for a few years. Let them get rid of Berman/Braga, find someone new to carry it and then bring it back when it's good and ready. Possibly a feature film to open up a new series.

Right that's me off to bed :thumbsup:

Night all :sleeping:

G'Nite!!!

i totally agree, let the dust settle then open in say 8/10 years time with a big feature film, new series and new crew, maybe set after voyager has returned home????

Yeah, that would w**k for me. I've never been big into the idea that a new series should be set in the distant future. The problem with that is that they'd spend half the time exploring 'cool new technologies' instead of focusing on decent characters and plot :rolleyes:

yeah i agree, itd all be look at our new weapons and shields and look we can go warp 10!!!!

they need to set it in a familiar time zone, TNG DS9 and VOY were all set around the same time and did very well so why not start again from there maybe a new ship set around the same time or after voyager got home, but they'll probably need to find a new race to fight with seen as they've either destroyed them or made 'friends' with them :ermm:

There's always the Breen. There story was never fully told in DS9 ;)

that is true, meaning they could set a new series/film in the time line everyone knows best.

at the moment they dont seem to be asking the fans what they want, they seem to be just doing what they want then blaming low ratings for the bad reviews, if they asked the fans what they wanted i believe we'd probably have a good series on our hands

There were a number of polls run across various websites during last summer. The general consensus was that people wanted to see the Romulan war and the founding of the Federation, both of which would have quite easily fit into the ENT timeframe.

Unfortunately, B&B have better ideas :rolleyes: They were saving the Romulans for the 'prequal' movie, which Paramount has now scratched. What a waste :(

a moview wouldnt do the romulan war justice, 2hrs worth of rushed shooting and general quickness is not what it deserves IMO, they should have set a series round it, built up to the war and built upto the creation of the federation, they could drag the war out then and show everything in detail rather than a quick slap-dash job in out fight.

but hey its B+B were talking about here :D :D

I think the reason they didn't go down that route, of setting the series around a great war, is because it would have been too similar to DS9 in that regard.

A shame though, for my money DS9's the best Trek has to offer :thumbsup:

i agree DS9 was a good series but another series like DS9 is what star trek needs, they're concentrating too much on what they want to see and not whats important to the viewer, if they carry on with the way they are going trek will be dead within 20yrs!

theres not much they can do except show what the viewer wants and at the moment enterprise is not doing that, they've gone too far back from TOS for anyone to really care because its not in the distant future anymore its set nearer our time seen as warp was created in 2065 (?)

<<holds up his 'Bring Back IRA Behr' placard>>

Let the franchise rest for a few year (2-4 should do it), get Behr on board. Get a decent story sorted out, preferably arc heavy and then let him run with it.

Sit back and enjoy :thumbsup:

P.S Welcome to the boards Mr Brightside, nice to have another Trek fan onboard :thumbsup:

Ira Behr or Ron Moore would suit me just fine. The chances of getting Moore are quite slim though, and after the way they treated ira last year I'd imagine that possibility perhaps even more remote :rolleyes:

Damned shame though :mad:

your absolutely right time to get new producers and writers in but will paramount think like this or leave B+B in charge becuase they worked with Gene?????


P.S. thanks for the welcome!!! :D :D

TBH I'd be surprised if Paramount were particularly keen on B&B. Overseeing the demise/decline of a once very successful programme is not the best way to impress :rolleyes:

On the Behr thing I guess it would depend on how he was approached, what kind of person he was and whether he had any better offers. Some sort of 'you were right, here's a big cheque and complete creative control' offer would hopefully w**k :) The fact that both Behr and Moore have worked on other shows in the interim could only help if it came to doing a new Trek show (imo).

It doesn't help that neither are available at the moment either;

Ron Moore's highly unlikely to move on from Galactica just yet, and Behr's currently involved with the next season of The 4400.

Just a thought but what about David Kemper, whats he up to now?

I was thinking Moore or Behr because they have both experience of producing Trek and non-Trek in high quality.

Kemper's definitely an alternative, as is Joe Straczynski, but I think they'd both want a little more creative freedom than Paramount would be prepared to let them have. A shame though, again, both of them would make a great Trek series I'm sure.

I suggest a series based around Jeri Ryan :ph43r:

Wasn't that Voyager ?? :lol:

:lol: :ph43r: :lol:

:lol: If only

Too much Janeway & Chakotay for me :fear:

Hey Mr B. Is that a typo in the thread title, or do you mean something like this....

:lmao: @ bakhesh superb :lol:

I would seriously consider Joss Whedon a good helmsman for the franchise (after he finishes Serenity of course).

Oh wait, I just thought, if they got him, Paramount may push ahead with the Starfleet Academy idea. Imagine it: Buffy the Starship captain :lmao:

That just reminds me of that shockingly awful fanfic series I remember seeing where Marissa (one of the kids from TNG's Disaster) ends up being adopted by Picard, and runs a kids crew onboard the Enterprise, and usually end up saving the ship.... :fear:

LOL, didnt notice that :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:

Mr B - beam me up!!! :wox: :wox:

It was bad enough with just The spawn of Crusher running around :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear: :fear:

Originally I'd probably have said that Star Trek's not the kind of show that Whedon's style might lend itself to. After seeing Firefly however I'd have to agree with you Jamie.

The sad thing is, with the state of the franchise being what it is, they're all too big for Trek now :(