Oh, joy :rolleyes:

If anything, it's a bit of a let-down after planning for Shatner :)

Enterprise ?? Let down ?? You jest surely........ :unsure:

:lol:

I hope they are going to use this to show us the USS Titan.

Sounds like the shatner thing is a non-starter, but according to what I've read, they haven't been able to reach a deal. Presumably he wants too much money. Funny that he now costs too much to appear in star trek, but that they can afford him for a bran flakes ad.

Could Frakes have pulled off a coup?

Could this be a backdoor pilot for a Titan TV series?

Kill Enterprise and everyone connected to it and restart with a new series?

Sounds reasonable enough to me :whistling: :innocent:

Could be a good idea.

I don't think Frakes was that keen on a titan series, cos I think he wanted to concentrate on directing, but since the decidedly lukewarm reaction to thunderbirds, he might have changed his mind.

I for one wish they would stop arseing around. They might have done better if they concentrated on decent writing instead of dragging back elements from the glory days.

And it's being written by B & B, not Coto :mad:

If this is a way to introduce either a TITAN series or a TITAN film then I am all for it.

There is no need to kill ENTERPRISE off though.

As for SHATNER, dont get me started on why they shouldnt have killed off CAPTAIN KIRK!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

SHAME ON YOU MR JAMIE :mad: :mad: :01:

There's plenty of reason Ken ;)

Not from where I am standing........ :thumbsup:

They could just get rid of B&B altogether and leave it in someone else's capable hands and let it continue to get stronger as it has been doing.

Hello, this is Earth calling planet Delusion. ;)

Ken, apart from Broken bow, the last few episodes of S2 and some in S3, Enterprise has excelled at mediocrity, it tried to cash in on the fans love of Data by casting Brent Spiner in a role (oh look, still no good ratings :unsure: )

Paramount need to consider culling the show for the franchises own good.

Sorry Ken, but Enterprise is struggling to meet, even Voyagers low standards (and that's saying something)

I have to agree with Jamie. One of Enterprise's perceived saving graces was that it wasn't Voyager. Now, however, it struggles to meet even those standards.

Seasons 1 and 2 were inconsistent, but for the most part mediocre. Season 3 stepped things up a little and had they actually built upon that in year 4 then things may have gotten better. But, as things stand, the franchise really is on it's last legs. Anyone thinking otherwise is sadly in for a very disappointing ride from here on in.

Take a look at Galactica, and then take another look at Enterprise. There's just a whole gulf in class there now. It's hardly any great surprise that no one's taking Enterprise seriously anymore.

It's a shame, but for the good of the franchise, Trek really needs to lie fallow for a few years now.

I will admit that season 1 and 2 were weak - Hell I didnt like the pilot at all (but then season 2 of NEXT GEN is the worst TREK EVER). (and I think NEXT GEN is the best cult tv ever with only DR WHO coming close)

However season 3 was a vast improvement both in the quality of the stories and the acting itself. Season 4 in my opinion has continued this improvement whilst telling the stories that the people behind the show think the fans want to see.

I know it has had falling ratings but the people who have already switched off are missing some very good stories for example the recent Vulcan arc. And once you leave a show it is very hard to go back, I know I left DS9 just after Worf joined as I saw that as a 'gimmick' to increase viewers to a show that I didnt like anyway and I never went back to it.

I for one would be very happy if the show goes ahead to a 5th, 6th and even a 7th season but I am more than resigned that this will be its last and that is such a shame.

Couple of points there Ken;

1. The people who've switched off already may be missing some decent episodes, however the people who're continuing to switch off would tend to suggest otherwise. See this week's numbers for example.

2. All the polls of what people wanted to see in Season 4 pretty much said the same thing; The Romulan war and the foundation of the Federation. If we're really lucky we'll get a tacked on 'founding' in the season finale. Instead, we get one gimmick after another. If this is really what B&B think we, the viewers want to see then they couldn't really have been more wrong if they'd tried.

cannot comment on this as I have never watched the show, which is a suprise because I actually enjoyed the 'fun' aspect of the original. I wanted to watch the mini series before I watched the rest and I still havent got around to doing that so I havent seen any of the series.

I have heard a lot of good reports of it from people here but a lot of poor reports of it from other people, comments like it is too soap opera ish, to its not even proper sci-fi to they should have stuck to the original idea.

I will watch it eventually as I prefer to make my own opinions of something but I am just not sure when.

As for TREK vs GALACTICA I dont think that is fair, if we shouldnt compare other shows to each other why do it with this pair???

But, if as people have suggested they were planning on doing THE ROMULAN WAR in a film it is hardly suprising that it hasnt been in the show is it?

If they did do THE ROMULAN WAR and one of the enterprise crew saw one of the romulans just think of the fuss that would be made as it would ruin the continuity.

I think the stories in season 4 for the most part have covered what some fans will have wanted to see and I am sure M.C. is doing his best to cover as many of the elements from the original series in the show as he can.

You know there's a common misconception it would seem that a continuing storyline from one week to the next constitutes a soap opera. They'd do well to remember that most early television sci-fi was serialised. I think you'll find Ken, that's it's a term banded about as an excuse for not having the patience to tune in week out. This harkens back to the recent Arc Vs Standalone poll. Standalone's are good, but at the end of the day, the payoffs from arcs are massive in comparison. Just ask anyone at this point what they thought of the Season 1 finale of BSG. If you hear a single word of criticism I'd be surprised, in fact, I'd question their sanity :lol:

Probably because they're an easy comparable. Comparing a reality show with a sci-fi show for example isn't a fair comparison. Comparing two shows from a same genre however, is something completely different. As mentioned before, the fact that BSG pretty much airs on a channel that would be similar to our very own Sci-Fi Channel over here numbers-wise, and Enterprise airs on UPN, a network show, numbers-wise equivalent to say the BBC, and yet, Galactica gets higher numbers. That speaks volumes.

Ever since of B5, and Farscape there's never really been a natural successor in the space-borne sci-fi stakes. I'm glad to say the wait's over, Galactica's here to carry the mantle :thumbsup:

It's an issue of common sense Ken. At the beginning of this season the whole franchise is in dire straits. Another poor season of ENT would inevitably spell cancellation. What chances of a movie then ?? People wanted the Romulans, not in a one-off movie, but in a series. It would have provided the series itself with a strong backbone, an arc underpinning the series. Berman has absolutely no idea what fans want.

What do they care about continuity ?? How many TNG-era races have we seen in ENT already ?? Besides which, they're already contradicting the continuity by NOT having the Romulan war starting in season 4. No need to worry though, we've got the TCW to pave over any continuity cracks :rolleyes:

You're forgetting that Coto's hands are pretty much tied Ken. It's still Berman/Braga calling the shots, as witnessed in the quality of season 4.

I dont think it is that that makes people call it a soap opera, the person I am thinking of says there is very little in the show that makes it sci-fi and that it could be set anywhere.

Obviously I cannot comment on that having never seen it. (the same person did say it had a good finale though)

As I have said before I like ENTERPRISE and I will defend it as much as I can because I think it has had a very very unfair and bias press against it but I am not blinded against its faults (despite what some of you think). Its not as good as Next Gen (series 3 onwards) or classic trek (series 1+2) but it is better than Voyager or for me the series of DS9 that I have seen.

Then they're really missing the point Ken ;) There are definite alternative Asimovian principles at w**k within the series.

It's really not that unfair Ken. Most reviewers remember Trek being great and the top of the genre tree. Those days are long gone, and without so much as a fight to keep itself there.

I still think it would be a shame to cancel the show as it has tremendous promise and it has improved so much since it began.

I cannot comment on Galactica without seeing it so I wont.

As for TREK not being the top of the tree, yes that is a travesty but there is so much more of it out there now maybe its just too much harder to be there now?

Enterprise has become for me exactly what I expect from TREK, good characters, good storylines and escapism for 50 mins (or an hour with adverts), maybe my expectations are lower than others I dont know but I dont want it to be a 'soap opera' or something like 'desperate housewives' or even like 'B5' I want it to be TREK and thats what I think it is trying to be, its a show that is desperately trying to be like CLASSIC TREK <or even NEXT GEN> and for that reason alone it should be applauded not condemned like a lot of people seeing all too willing to do (and I dont mean you here angel)

It's improved, but nowhere near enough. It should have been so much more. Sadly, if the writing's wrong there's not much you can do.

The problem with Trek over the past 5 years has been that it's practically stood still. Shows like B5, Farscape and Firefly have really raised the bar. The audiences for BSG, SG1 and Atlantis prove that there's still a need for sci-fi out there on TV, it's just that Trek isn't appealing to people. It's too bland. There's nothing in ENT that hasn't been done before on Trek, and a damned sight better.

Imitation's a risky business, especially if you don't pull it off, which thusfar, Enterprise hasn't come even close to doing.

Each to their own.

I have watched most of season 1 of B5 and about Half of the Firefly season and while I have enjoyed both I havent found either to be better than Trek (inc Enterprise).

The writers for ENTERPRISE are on a hiding to nothing, if they had done something completly different they would have been condemned for it not being trek, (some people think they had done that anyway) and if they stick to what TREK should be they get condemned again.

Talk about not being able to win.

But the problem is that they did get it right with Season 3 and the Xindi arc. Had they carried on along those lines then I think a lot more people would have been happy, and maybe the series isn't in the dire straights it's in now. To be honest, the stupidest thing they did was to give us the alien Nazi cliffhanger, which was probably the main contributor to the poor ratings at the beginning of Season 4.

What they have done with Season 4 is gone backward. The only difference between this season and Seasons 1 and 2 is that they're plundering the past whereever they can (whether it's necessary or not - I think a lot of us would just prefer good stories as opposed to trying to get as much Old Trek referenced as possible), and they're just padding stories out to much further extremes than they need to be.