Just checked the latest SKY magazine which arrived today and they make no mention of it at all in January. BG doesn't finish till the 24th but after that there is nothing.

Is it being held over to Feb or what?

It looks like that is what is going to happen.

Pretty sure they'll bring it in during February once Galactica concludes.

I wonder if the fact that this season is 4 episodes shorter than usual has made a difference, plus after last season (when they were running nose to nose with the US at the end of the season) are they deliberately holding back :)

And it's confirmed:

Enterprise will return to Sky One on Tuesday, March 15th (the first time since 1996 that new Trek on Sky One wasn't regularly shown on a Monday! :)

Useless Facts - DS9 S4 was shown on Sunday afternoons in '96 for the first 22 episodes, and then eventualy showed the final 4 on Saturday and Sundays. Of course, in September 1999 several episodes from the end of Season 5 of Voyager were premiered on every day of the week except Friday, which was Buffy S4/Angel S1 day. Now, doesn't your life feel more complete? :)

By the time the show airs on Sky, the season will be all but done on UPN. I'd imagine we'll know closer to that time whether it will be returning for a fifth season as well.

At least on a Tuesday it wont clash with M's Corronation Street!!!!!

And it'll pick up some of the Devastated SG1 fans who will be missing the show terribly.

So when is S3 going to be shown on C4, I wonder :ermm:

Either that or it'll have them feeling suicidal when faced with the gulf in quality :p

Who knows :rolleyes:

what the fact that ENTERPRISE will show how poor STARGATE is?



<only kidding I have still got the first 4 seasons to watch>

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At the moment I'd have to say that SG1 embodies something that Trek seems to have lost in recent years, the art of being 'fun'.

Too often recently it's actually felt like a chore watching ENT, whereas SG1 I can watch week-in, week-out. It's an odd concept given that SG1's been telling stories for four years longer than it's Trek counterpart, yet comes across much fresher.

Let's not forget Ken, SG1's gone where no Trek show has gone before it; an 8th and 9th season :p

cannot really comment as although I have the first 4 seasons on dvd I havent actually got around to watching any of it yet.

I think NEXT GEN however could have gone on beyond the 7th season if it had not been for the movies.

TNG could well have gone for a couple of more series I mean, apart from Generations and First Contact, the last two movies seemed to be 2 part episodes shown on the big screen. On tv maybe they would have worked better, who knows?

Would I be on my own if I said that I liked all of the TNG films? :unsure:

No Nick, you wouldn't. I like them all too. It's just that I like some a lot more than others :lol:

Part of the reason that the TNG guys were promoted to the movie scene was due to the fact that the casts' contracts were up at the end of the seventh season. Paramount would have had to shell out crazy money to get them all back onboard for an 8th year.

I love Generations, and First Contact, whilst overrated is still a fine movie. Insurrection was ok, nothing too special, kind of a TNG equivalent of any of the odd numbered TOS movies. Nemesis however was too drawn out, not to mention highly derivative of the earlier TWOK.

do you mean the starship fight scenes (in particular the final bit)? Or is it more than that? :huh:

I dont understand you call Nemesis drawn out yet GENERATIONS has far more 'slow' bits then Nemesis has.

I love all the STAR TREK films wether they are NEXT GEN or not, My least favourite is Search For Spock and my favourites are TWOK and Nemesis.

The entire last act, with the starship confrontation within a nebula, culminating in saviour through a heroic sacrifice, but with the chance of said character making a come back in future movies.

Generations pacing was fine. There were a few bits that were drawn out, but Nemesis had 15/20 minute chunks at a time that the movie could have done without.

You can just about watch Nemesis the first time around, but as far as repeat viewing goes it's a definite snore-fest. The problem being of course that people couldn't even be bothered to check it out for a first time :(

of course, as You know I am going to disagree with you. Although I love GENERATIONS I think it is much slower than NEMESIS, the whole section in the Holodeck, where Worf gets his promotion, the section with Picards family in the nexus, DATA and the emotion chip.

I think GENERATIONS is my least favourite of the NEXT GEN movies and not just because they made the dreadful mistake of killing off KIRK.

That's the whole point of Generations though Ken, family. Emotionally the movie worked on many levels. Nemesis on the other hand was awfully contrived.

Ah well, if you enjoy(ed) Nemesis good luck to you :)

Sorry Ken, I have to argue in "Generations" defence here. The film simply continued with what was one of TNG's strengths was in the tv series.... Characerisation. People you cared about having lives outside of the space battles and mass destruction.

Generations built upon the already firm character foundations laid in the series. The Picard family scenes were so poignant to the character and to the fans, even non fans could get it after the death of Picards only family right at the start of the movie.

Worfs promotion. Well, the crew had bonded more as a family than a w**k team, this one scene explained that to the audience more eloquently than a ten minute dialogue heavy scene. The crew were having fun, I would challenfe anyone if they said they didn't laugh out loud when Data pushed Bev into the water. That small part of the scene led to Datas whole "emotional" journey.

As for Kirk's death? It was well done, handled beautifully. It is how (I think) the character would have wanted to go. Knowing full well, that his death had prevented the deaths of billions of innocents. It was a heroes death, now if they had stuck with the original death scene, well, I would have stood with you arguing against that, it just wasn't nice.

At first, I admit, I didn't like the film at all, I thought, like you, that the pacing was wrong and that it could have done with being trimmed down quite a bit to emphasise the action, but on repeated viewings, I have grown to love the film enough to make it my third favourite trek movie (after TWOK and TVH.) It worked as both a sci-fi movie and a character driven movie (if these subjects are seperate entities, but that's another discussion right there ;) )

I never said it was a bad film and I agree with the characterization etc, the point I was trying to make (and failing obviously) was that it is slower than Nemesis (it being slated for its slower moments on more than one occassion).

As for kirk dying - big mistake!!! Easy to see how the could bring him back, part of him still being in the nexus, but they should never have killed him off!!!!!

I want to like this film, really I do, but I just think it's Berman having a clear out.

I know, let's get rid of some some old stuff. Let's get rid a) Kirk, B) Picard's family, c) The Duras sisters, d) Enterprise E. Don't need any of that old rubbish any more. Let's chuck 'em out.

Haven't seen the original Kirk's death so I can't comment but I've always thought that the one we got was unneccessary - and sloppy. Kirk didn't need to die. If he hadn't fallen off the bridge he would still have saved squillions of lives. Spock needed to die, Data needed to die because they couldn't have saved their comrades if they hadn't died. The bridge didn't actually need to collapse. And falling off a bridge. Oh please! The great space hero faces death a million times and how does he die? He falls off a bridge. I would go that way, not James T Kirk. It's almost disrespectful; another example of Berman showing his contempt for Roddenberry's creation.:mad: :mad: :mad:

Oh well, rant over. Being dragged to the DIY store. Joy!

With Generations though the pacing is fairly even, whereas with Nemesis it isn't. 15/20 minute chunks just slow the entire movie down to a stop. The middle section of Nemesis nearly kills it on it's own.

The slower moments in Generations as Jamie's mentioned are mainly character-driven, and to be honest, whether it be Stewart or Shatner, those character moments are simply outstanding. The writing comes into play there as well. The scenes in Generations do it no harm at all, in fact they just carry on the tradition laid down by the series itself. Nemesis suffered again due to the writing not really being upto scratch. Too often there's very little actually happening, action or character-wise. The whole bit about Data as well, just didn't sit right, again, very, very contrived, and followed a route that Spock took over a decade before.

Being a TNG movie I really wanted to like Nemesis, especially as it was touted as the final TNG outing. I can't help be disappointed with the finished article I'm afraid. The TNG gang deserved a lot more, and to be honest, if they knew that this was likely to be the last big screen showing for the TNGers, shame on them for not bringing Q back into the fold. A character that is synonymous with the series, who was there at the beginning, and at the end of the series, and as Nemeses go, he would have been perfect for a big screen adventure.

The movie was originally planned to feature Kirk, Spock and McCoy, but AFAIK it was always intended for Kirk to die. I'm not so sure it was so much of 'clearing them out' as it was passing the baton so to speak. Trek VI was essentially the final TOS movie, had Generations simply opened with and featured the TNG cast there would have been an opportunity missed.

As for the Enterprise herself, well it's been done before I guess, but unlike Nemesis which basically lifted the final act from TWOK to it's detriment, Generations actually improved on the crash scenes from TSFS. It also goes without saying that it was another great gimmick for the movie itself ;)

The Duras Sisters, I had no problem with being off'd, I could never stand them anyway :) Although in truth they were only really there to facilitate the picture's main protagonist, Soran. In Soran, I thought the movie gave us one of the Film franchise's most interesting villains to date. Clearly a villain, but with quite human motives driving him.

Picard's family again, was a means of introducing the notion of family, and Picard's own mortality into the viewers consciousness. I felt it was deftly handled myself, and gave Pat Stewart some pretty awesome scenes to play with.

The only element to the movie I might change would be Kirk's death itself. Of the two endings, as Jamie's stated, the one they went with is certainly better. The original basically just had Kirk being shot in the back by Soran, very downbeat, and very understated. The theatrical ending was better, but still, I do tend to agree with you to a certain extent. That being said, there's no way you're going to please everyone when it comes to killing off a true Star Trek icon.

The other benefit of having Kirk appear in the picture is that it bough to the screen the meeting of Kirk and Picard, and furthermore, it gave us the chance to see Pat Stewart and Bill Shatner interacting together. For me, that was the undisputed highlight of the movie. :)

Let's be honest, that's why we all went to see it. It was The Pat & Shat Show, the two captains together. That's what we all wanted to see. That's why I came out disappointed. Their scenes together were superb, particularly highlighted the difference betwee Jim's laid back character and Jean-Luc's by the book approach, but there were just two few of them. Maybe I was just expecting two much but I had thought that Kirk might actually see what 24thc Enterprise and crew would be like. Instead he got to fight on a dusty planet and then die. They could have written the scene without Kirk at all, Picards's seen off bigger villains than Soren on his own; he didn't really need Kirk. That's why is seemed to me as though they shoehorned Kirk into the plot so they could kill him off.

As for the Duras sisters, same thing. They were suddenly in league with Soren and then ,whoops dead. These changes are fine one at a time but bunging them all in one film seems to me to be a touch excessive.

Good job we ain't all the same :lol:

I just think that KIRK didnt need to be killed off and shouldnt have been, yes use the nexus as a way of bringing him into PICARD's time line but dont kill him off unnecessary and so pathetically.

Picard has stopped greater villans than Soren on his own and Kirk has as well.

(I think Shatner's series of books shows very well how the Kirk character could have existed in that time frame and I am not suprised with the big movement to bring the character back)