Title: Babylon 5 Movie Gears Up? (spoilers)
LoobiLou - December 9, 2004 05:46 PM (GMT)
Spoilers
Production Weekly reported that a feature film set in J. Michael Straczynski's Babylon 5 universe will begin production in April in the United Kingdom. Straczynski wrote the film, The Memory of Shadows, which will be directed by Steven Beck (Ghost Ship), the publication reported.
In Shadows, the technology of the ancient and extinct Shadow race is being unleashed upon the galaxy by an unknown force, and Earthforce intelligence officer Diane Baker, whose brother was recently killed in a mysterious explosion, sets out to find out who is behind the conspiracy, Production Weekly reported. Joining her is Galen, a techno-mage who has been charged with keeping the technology out of the hands of those who would abuse it.
goth willow fan - December 9, 2004 05:49 PM (GMT)
Crichton Kicks - December 9, 2004 05:55 PM (GMT)
About time :)
Nice to see that Galen will be involved, potentially a resolution of sorts for Crusade afterall then.
It'll be interesting to see how many of the regulars feature.
Crichton Kicks - December 11, 2004 09:55 PM (GMT)
A concerning rumour appears to have sprung up regarding the casting;
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Well, folks the lesson here is always be cautious. Rumor is spreading very quickly that the WB is getting cold feet about the B5 project. It seems that they are concerned that there is not enough star power in the movie. Because of this they are seeking to RECAST the original Babylon 5 crew. JMS is apparently fighting this and that is the reason that the movie has been held up. Folks, Heather and I WILL NOT SUPPORT a B5 movie that does not have the actors that have defined these roles.
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star_fury - December 14, 2004 04:06 PM (GMT)
I have tried not to read most of posts so not to get spoiled. What I did read was it begins production in April in the UK and that is fantastic news! :D
Crichton Kicks - December 16, 2004 05:53 PM (GMT)
A further update from FilmJerk;
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The Babylon 5 feature film begins shooting in April! My triumphant return!
What brings me back to FilmJerk.com? I'm totally geeking out over the feature film Babylon 5: Memory of Shadows. I've been a B5 fan since my pal Sam (Hi Sam!) turned me on to the show in Season 2. The last I'd heard is that JMS (the shows creator, J.Michael Straczynski) had put the project on hold after Richard Bigg's death. Biggs played Dr. Franklin, and died in May of 2004. Memory of Shadows is back on track now, and will begin filming in England next April with director Steven Beck.
The story follows Diane Baker, an Earthforce Intelligence Officer whose brother is killed in an explosion. She teams up with Techno-Mage Galen, previously played by Peter Woodward but whose part is being re-cast, to find the truth behind her brother's death. They discover that dark forces are unleashing ancient Shadow technology--technology that was supposed to be guarded by Galen--and the two uncover a huge conspiracy.
So far, the only original character participating is Elizabeth Lochley, played by Tracey Scoggins. She is still the commander of Babylon 5. She is friends with Diane. Part of the action takes place on B5, as the station is taken over by Earthforce Marines, including new lead character Colonel Joss Morgan.
Galen will battle childhood friend and Techno-Mage, Tyrell. Tyrell is sort of a mercenary, with an agenda of his own. Are you seeing Gandolf fighting Saruman in your head right now? You know you are. I can only imagine we'll see more original cast members on the station. Believe me, I'll keep you all posted. |
To be honest, if even half of the above is true, I'm seriously considering not bothering :(
jamiearmour - December 16, 2004 06:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 11 2004, 11:55 PM) |
A concerning rumour appears to have sprung up regarding the casting;
| QUOTE | Well, folks the lesson here is always be cautious. Rumor is spreading very quickly that the WB is getting cold feet about the B5 project. It seems that they are concerned that there is not enough star power in the movie. Because of this they are seeking to RECAST the original Babylon 5 crew. JMS is apparently fighting this and that is the reason that the movie has been held up. Folks, Heather and I WILL NOT SUPPORT a B5 movie that does not have the actors that have defined these roles.
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Go JMS, we're with you all the way. It is inconceivable that the main characters could be recast for the movie. We're talking about the actors who made us care about the characters, they (almost) brought the roles to life. If WB do try to force a re-casting, then I (can't believe I'm writing this) hope that JMS just pulls the plug.
Crichton Kicks - December 16, 2004 06:37 PM (GMT)
Looks like it's heading for another TNT situation. Joe didn't stand for it then, let's hope he doesn't now.
Given the choice, I'd rather see no movie, than one with completely different characters in it.
star_fury - December 17, 2004 03:04 PM (GMT)
S**t that f$%^&*g sucks!!! :angry: :angry:
Who wants to see a Babylon 5 movie without the original cast! I sure as hell don't! :angry:
If they want Hollywood stars then perhaps specific roles could be created to play alongside the main cast. Oh well it doesn't look like we are going to get the Babylon 5 movie on the big screen now. JMS is never going to recast and more power to him for standing up to Hollywood! It's such a shame I was really looking forward to seeing this movie. :(
Crichton Kicks - December 17, 2004 03:32 PM (GMT)
The thing that I don't understand is that B5 is a sci-fi movie, what kind of Hollywood superstars does WBs think they can attract to the movie anyway ??
jamiearmour - December 17, 2004 03:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 17 2004, 05:32 PM) |
| The thing that I don't understand is that B5 is a sci-fi movie, what kind of Hollywood superstars does WBs think they can attract to the movie anyway ?? |
Rutger Hauer as the villain of the piece?
Some slapper tart as the "eye candy"
Pamela Anderson Lee as Delenn.
Ellen Degeneres as Ivanova.
Some guy from NYPD blue to play Garibaldi.
I have a horrible feeling they may be w**king along those lines :blink: :huh: :cry: :ermm: :unsure:
Crichton Kicks - December 17, 2004 03:48 PM (GMT)
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| Some slapper tart as the "eye candy" |
Traci Scoggins is apparently already signed, so no need ;)
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| Some guy from NYPD blue to play Garibaldi. |
Surely it's gotta be Bruce Willis playing Garibaldi :lol: :lol: :lol:
jamiearmour - December 17, 2004 03:50 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 17 2004, 05:48 PM) |
| QUOTE | | Some slapper tart as the "eye candy" |
Traci Scoggins is apparently already signed, so no need ;)
| QUOTE | | Some guy from NYPD blue to play Garibaldi. |
Surely it's gotta be Bruce Willis playing Garibaldi :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What? You mean Garibaldi wasn't played by Bruce Originally? :lol:
star_fury - December 17, 2004 03:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 17 2004, 03:32 PM) |
| The thing that I don't understand is that B5 is a sci-fi movie, what kind of Hollywood superstars does WBs think they can attract to the movie anyway ?? |
I don't expect Warner Brothers intend to use "A list" stars and nothing against the cast of Babylon 5 but almost any movie actor is going to have more box office pulling power than the cast of Babylon 5 to the general public. To be fair to the cast they're not well known outside of Babylon 5 and science-fiction circles.
I personally watch way too many films and TV programmes and I have barely seen the cast in anything other than Babylon 5. To the general public they are unknown.
I think I would boycott a Babylon 5 movie without the original cast members but nevertheless I wonder who they would have to play the parts? I reckon they would want to change Garibaldi , Sheridan and Delenn for sure but who would get to play them instead? I think they would be happy to keep Londo Mollari and G'kar...what do you think?
bruce willis as garibaldi? ...its uncany but true :lol:
???? as Delenn
???? as Sheridan
star_fury - December 17, 2004 03:55 PM (GMT)
star_fury - December 17, 2004 03:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Dec 17 2004, 03:50 PM) |
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 17 2004, 05:48 PM) | | QUOTE | | Some slapper tart as the "eye candy" |
Traci Scoggins is apparently already signed, so no need ;)
| QUOTE | | Some guy from NYPD blue to play Garibaldi. |
Surely it's gotta be Bruce Willis playing Garibaldi :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What? You mean Garibaldi wasn't played by Bruce Originally? :lol:
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:lol:
Nick - December 17, 2004 04:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (star_fury @ Dec 17 2004, 03:54 PM) |
| I personally watch way too many films and TV programmes and I have barely seen the cast in anything other than Babylon 5. To the general public they are unknown. |
Why do you reckon that is?
From the little I've seen, they seem at the very least, capable actors with a dedicated following. This should have seen them in other stuff, no?
But I can't recall seeing any of the cast in anything else :ermm:
star_fury - December 17, 2004 04:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Nick @ Dec 17 2004, 04:00 PM) |
| QUOTE (star_fury @ Dec 17 2004, 03:54 PM) | | I personally watch way too many films and TV programmes and I have barely seen the cast in anything other than Babylon 5. To the general public they are unknown. |
Why do you reckon that is?
From the little I've seen, they seem at the very least, capable actors with a dedicated following. This should have seen them in other stuff, no?
But I can't recall seeing any of the cast in anything else :ermm:
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I have no idea why that is?
I've never seen Mira Furlan(sp?) who plays Delenn in anything else, Bruce boxlietner(sp?) I have only seen him in a few dodgy TV movies, I've seen Claudia Christiansen(sp?) in a few movies nothing substantial , Jerry Doyle I haven't seen anything else, G'kar( and I forget his real name) has done lots of supporting stuff in films including the fugitive.... I honestly don't know why they haven't done more because like you said they are capable actors.
So unless you're are a Babylon 5 fan you're unlikely to know who they are.
Crichton Kicks - December 17, 2004 05:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamiearmour @ Dec 17 2004, 03:50 PM) |
| What? You mean Garibaldi wasn't played by Bruce Originally? :lol: |
Didn't Jerry Doyle play Bruce's stuntman on Moonlighting ??
Crichton Kicks - December 17, 2004 05:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (star_fury @ Dec 17 2004, 03:54 PM) |
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 17 2004, 03:32 PM) | | The thing that I don't understand is that B5 is a sci-fi movie, what kind of Hollywood superstars does WBs think they can attract to the movie anyway ?? |
I don't expect Warner Brothers intend to use "A list" stars and nothing against the cast of Babylon 5 but almost any movie actor is going to have more box office pulling power than the cast of Babylon 5 to the general public. To be fair to the cast they're not well known outside of Babylon 5 and science-fiction circles.
I personally watch way too many films and TV programmes and I have barely seen the cast in anything other than Babylon 5. To the general public they are unknown.
I think I would boycott a Babylon 5 movie without the original cast members but nevertheless I wonder who they would have to play the parts? I reckon they would want to change Garibaldi , Sheridan and Delenn for sure but who would get to play them instead? I think they would be happy to keep Londo Mollari and G'kar...what do you think?
bruce willis as garibaldi? ...its uncany but true :lol: ???? as Delenn ???? as Sheridan
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The rumours are that casting calls have gone out for characters sounding very similar to Galen, Delenn and Sheridan.
I think we can pretty much take it as given that they won't be getting A-listers, but beyond that it's hard to see the point. How many people go to a movie these days just to see a B-list celeb ?? All's they're going to accomplish with these recastings is to disenfranchise a fair proportion of the people you're counting on seeing the movie. It just makes very little sense.
The worrying thing is that Joe as far as I'm aware still hasn't denied the rumours. :unsure:
Crichton Kicks - December 17, 2004 05:45 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (star_fury @ Dec 17 2004, 04:26 PM) |
| QUOTE (Nick @ Dec 17 2004, 04:00 PM) | | QUOTE (star_fury @ Dec 17 2004, 03:54 PM) | | I personally watch way too many films and TV programmes and I have barely seen the cast in anything other than Babylon 5. To the general public they are unknown. |
Why do you reckon that is?
From the little I've seen, they seem at the very least, capable actors with a dedicated following. This should have seen them in other stuff, no?
But I can't recall seeing any of the cast in anything else :ermm:
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I have no idea why that is?
I've never seen Mira Furlan(sp?) who plays Delenn in anything else, Bruce boxlietner(sp?) I have only seen him in a few dodgy TV movies, I've seen Claudia Christiansen(sp?) in a few movies nothing substantial , Jerry Doyle I haven't seen anything else, G'kar( and I forget his real name) has done lots of supporting stuff in films including the fugitive.... I honestly don't know why they haven't done more because like you said they are capable actors.
So unless you're are a Babylon 5 fan you're unlikely to know who they are.
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Bruce Boxleitner is most commonly known for his roles in the movie Tron and the series The Scarecrow and Mrs King. Since B5 he's moved towards more literary endeavors, putting out novels.
AFAIK, B5 was Mira Furlan's first foray into American TV, previously having established herself in her native Yugoslavia.
Claudia Christian has a list of credits longer than my arm, but none of them particularly high profile.
Rick Biggs came from a soap opera background having long stints on TV institutions like Guiding Light and Days of our Lives.
Peter Jurasik has an impressive list of TV w**k including MASH, Hill Street Blues, MacGyver, LA Law, Sliders, NYPD Blue etc, but again little silver screen exposure.
Andreas Katsulas has appeared in many genre shows including TNG and Millennium. He appeared in The Fugitive on the bigscreen but little else.
Jerry Doyle, B5 was his first major gig. Since the show ended he's moved into politics, running for office in the LA 24th Congressional District.
The thing with B5 is that there was no clear star. Instead it relied on the tried and trusted group dynamic that served TNG so well. At the end of the day, did Paramount feel the need to recast TNG parts ?? None of them were particularly big names at the box office ??
Firefly's another one. I wonder if Joss for a second would have considered replacing his 'unknown' cast ?? :lol:
star_fury - December 18, 2004 03:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 17 2004, 05:45 PM) |
| QUOTE (star_fury @ Dec 17 2004, 04:26 PM) | | QUOTE (Nick @ Dec 17 2004, 04:00 PM) | | QUOTE (star_fury @ Dec 17 2004, 03:54 PM) | | I personally watch way too many films and TV programmes and I have barely seen the cast in anything other than Babylon 5. To the general public they are unknown. |
Why do you reckon that is?
From the little I've seen, they seem at the very least, capable actors with a dedicated following. This should have seen them in other stuff, no?
But I can't recall seeing any of the cast in anything else :ermm:
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I have no idea why that is?
I've never seen Mira Furlan(sp?) who plays Delenn in anything else, Bruce boxlietner(sp?) I have only seen him in a few dodgy TV movies, I've seen Claudia Christiansen(sp?) in a few movies nothing substantial , Jerry Doyle I haven't seen anything else, G'kar( and I forget his real name) has done lots of supporting stuff in films including the fugitive.... I honestly don't know why they haven't done more because like you said they are capable actors.
So unless you're are a Babylon 5 fan you're unlikely to know who they are.
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Bruce Boxleitner is most commonly known for his roles in the movie Tron and the series The Scarecrow and Mrs King. Since B5 he's moved towards more literary endeavors, putting out novels.
AFAIK, B5 was Mira Furlan's first foray into American TV, previously having established herself in her native Yugoslavia.
Claudia Christian has a list of credits longer than my arm, but none of them particularly high profile.
Rick Biggs came from a soap opera background having long stints on TV institutions like Guiding Light and Days of our Lives.
Peter Jurasik has an impressive list of TV w**k including MASH, Hill Street Blues, MacGyver, LA Law, Sliders, NYPD Blue etc, but again little silver screen exposure.
Andreas Katsulas has appeared in many genre shows including TNG and Millennium. He appeared in The Fugitive on the bigscreen but little else.
Jerry Doyle, B5 was his first major gig. Since the show ended he's moved into politics, running for office in the LA 24th Congressional District.
The thing with B5 is that there was no clear star. Instead it relied on the tried and trusted group dynamic that served TNG so well. At the end of the day, did Paramount feel the need to recast TNG parts ?? None of them were particularly big names at the box office ??
Firefly's another one. I wonder if Joss for a second would have considered replacing his 'unknown' cast ?? :lol:
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I agree with you but TNG had a couple of clear advantages which Babylon 5 does not. First off while it was TNG's first cinema outing it was Star Trek's 7th box-office movie. Paramount also eased them into the box office by including the original series cast (well Kirk, sulu and Scottie). Another advantage was that the next generation had not long finished before making the movie.
Anyway as I said before I would boycott any Babylon 5 movie that replaces any original actors from Babylon 5 with the exception of the recently deceased Richard Biggs.
Crichton Kicks - December 18, 2004 03:10 PM (GMT)
It's a fair point re the TNG cast's transition to the big screen. It's just a shame that WBs aren't prepared to show the same faith in B5 that Universal are showing in Firefly.
I'm pretty much the same, any recasting (beyond the necessary) and I for one most certainly won't be checking it out, no matter how much I'd love to see a B5 movie.
star_fury - December 18, 2004 03:34 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Angel @ Dec 17 2004, 05:26 PM) |
The rumours are that casting calls have gone out for characters sounding very similar to Galen, Delenn and Sheridan.
I think we can pretty much take it as given that they won't be getting A-listers, but beyond that it's hard to see the point. How many people go to a movie these days just to see a B-list celeb ?? All's they're going to accomplish with these recastings is to disenfranchise a fair proportion of the people you're counting on seeing the movie. It just makes very little sense.
The worrying thing is that Joe as far as I'm aware still hasn't denied the rumours. :unsure: |
I honestly can't see that JMS would replace Sheridan or Delenn under any circumstances. Galen however is a different matter. While I would boycott the movie over the original Babylon 5 personnel I wouldn't be too bothered by the removal of the actor who played Galen (was it Peter Woodward?) in Crusade.I would prefer the original actor but I don't feel so strongly about it
I don't know how many people go to a movie these days just to see a B-list celebrity? I am fairly sure that the non initiated to the Babylon 5 World who like the look of the movie would prefer to see younger and more attractive actors/actresses in the leading roles. Unlike us though , they don't have the emotional attachment to the characters and the actors who played them.
I agree that by recasting they would lose a fair proportion of the people they're expecting to see the movie and also agree that it makes very little sense. I know it sounds insane to us fans but that's Hollywood for you! They obviously think that they would make more money by replacing Sheridan and Delenn rather than keeping them.
star_fury - December 19, 2004 04:01 PM (GMT)
What are you guys going to do about this? are you going to write to Warner Brothers? I'm going to write a few e-mails once I find an address to send them. I think our feelings should be heard. :angry:
Crichton Kicks - December 19, 2004 04:37 PM (GMT)
I'm pretty sure that if and when the rumours are confirmed then there'll be no shortage of e-mail/contact details available ;)
Crichton Kicks - December 19, 2004 04:53 PM (GMT)
Joe's response;
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I would like to be able to comment on this, but for the time being I am not able to do so.
jms
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I think that was the initial response from Joe when rumours that all was not well on Crusade started :(
Re Peter Woodward's role as Galen being recast, apparently he's shooting something else at the same time.
prophecy girl - February 12, 2005 04:48 PM (GMT)
yeah but any idea of a date of release for the film?
somehow 2005 seem to be the wrong year for anything in the sky ... i mean star wars, firefly, war of the worlds .... a little too much aliens films to compete with.
Crichton Kicks - February 12, 2005 05:26 PM (GMT)
At the earliest you're looking at the backend of 2005, but my money would actually be on a 2006 release date now.
jamiearmour - February 12, 2005 05:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Angel @ Feb 12 2005, 07:26 PM) |
| At the earliest you're looking at the backend of 2005, but my money would actually be on a 2006 release date now. |
I think 2006 would probably be better for the movie to come out. It would stand a better chance of being taken on it's own merits instead of being mired in the comparisons with other movies.
Of course in 2006 it would be up against "Superman", but no other major Sci-Fi movies have been announced yet for next year, and if they want it to come out they had better move now (ish)
prophecy girl - February 12, 2005 06:06 PM (GMT)
what about the fantastic four? 2005 or 2006?
Crichton Kicks - February 12, 2005 08:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (prophecy girl @ Feb 12 2005, 06:06 PM) |
| what about the fantastic four? 2005 or 2006? |
2005.
Phillip Culley - February 26, 2005 11:35 PM (GMT)
Hovis - February 27, 2005 12:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Phillip Culley @ Feb 27 2005, 12:35 AM) |
BUGGER!
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I think Phillips phrase more than adequately sums this up too.
Not good. Not good at all.
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"The rule of thumb in Hollywood is that for every thousand scripts that get written, only a few dozen get into development, and out of those, only one will ever get made...if that.
A little over a year ago, I was approached by a company that wanted to make a Babylon 5 movie. They optioned the rights, and commissioned a script. (It's worth mentioning that I, not WB, own the rights to a B5 movie. When we were negotiating the original B5 deal -- by whose terms I will never see a dime in profit -- the one thing they did let me have were the movie rights, figuring they'd never be worth anything in the long run.)
Anyway...on December 27th of 2003, the script for "The Memory of Shadows" was turned in, and the process began of trying to make the deal w**k with all the various forces involved. It is, to say the least, a very difficult process on any movie where the studio does not directly take the financial reins. In terms of B5, Warner's position was esssentially, "We only do big-budget movies with big names, so you're on your own." If there were big-name movie actors in the film, they'd get behind it; without that, things become very problematic, especially as far as the financing was concerned. You much have to put together a consortium of international interests and business plans rivaled in complexity only by the Allied invasion of Normandy Beach.
Nonetheless, every attempt was made by the people involved to get this deal in place. This was not being done by Doug or myself, but rather by the company/individuals who approached us and optioned the rights. At times, it seemed we were inches away from a deal...stages were reserved at Elstree, actors were contacted, a director was in place, the script went through many revisions, a few key staff were hired, again not by me...it was really a year-long roller coaster ride. During that time, the people involved, with every good intention, tried very hard to pull the necessary pieces together on the deal. The option expired in late December 2004, but I renewed it without cost, to give those involved more time to try and make things w**k.
In the end, however, the deal could be put together, and it did not look as if that was going to change at any point in the foreseeable future. So the option has reverted, and to all intents and purposes, the project has dead ended. Nor do I think this particular incarnation will arise again at any point in the future, though prognostication has always been a tricky art, especially if you have to do it without the benefit of hindsight.
This was not the first time someone's taken a run at a B5 feature film, and it will not be the last. Eventually it will happen, because such things are simply inevitable. If they can do a Brady Bunch movie, you can be sure that sooner or later, somebody's going to do a B5 movie. The only thing I can say without equivocation is that when that day comes, as the rights-holder, I will make darned sure that it's done right, because I'd rather have no B5 movie than one that doesn't live up to what fans and I myself would want to see.
To that end...I can wait.
Anyway, just thought you should know the story.
jms" |
Taken from JMSNews, and dated 25/02
Andrew (HM) :upside:
goth willow fan - February 27, 2005 01:04 AM (GMT)
Oh well.
I wouldn't have wanted to have a "big name" film anyway.
Crichton Kicks - February 27, 2005 01:40 AM (GMT)
I'm with Paul on this one. I'd rather have no movie than a WBs movie.
It's disappointing, but it's time will come.
star_fury - February 27, 2005 03:19 PM (GMT)
It's sad news but It wouldn't have worked without the original cast in the lead roles.
The problem as I see it is that any new Babylon 5 project really needs to be made sooner rather than later because they aren't getting any younger. I hope if it comes down to it that JMS can manage to get a few more TV movies made if the big screen version seems unattainable. At least that way there won't be the same kind of demands to have big star names involved.