I haven't actually seen this yet, but some of the comments on the 1x06 thread are getting dangerously spoilerish.

Post em here instead please.

I'll be back when I've seen the ep.

OK then. Do not read on if you have not seen this episode.

Spoiler Warning....

In this episode, a cylon is captured aboard one of the ships on the fleet. He is a copy of the one Adama met at the weapons depot in the pilot/mini series. Starbuck is assigned to interogate him.

At the same time the President is having dreams about the captured cylon, in which, if my hearing didn't deceive me, he calls her "mother" before being dragged away from her by an unseen force.

In the interrogation, the cylon tells starbuck that he has planted a bomb on one of the ships in the fleet.

And that is just for starters.......

I only picked up on the "mother" reference when I rewatched it, but it would seem to confirm my theory in the 1X06 thread. The president could be a cylon. But not just any cylon. Possibly, a copy of their God..

Either that or I'm going mad :blink:

Which is conceivable :lmao:

Terrific. Absolutely brilliant episode. I said last week that I couldn't believe the show could continue to improve week on week. Well, I was wrong... another step up, and boy, I felt like I'd put myself through the wringer after watching it.

The Starbuck scenes were terrific... a good look firstly at the morality of torture. If that's not a big enough question, it goes on to touch on the biggest of questions.... what does it mean to be human?

As much as the genocidal activities of the Cylons have been unquestionably evil, you have to dispute the old feeling that they are merely pre-programmed 'toasters'.

The twin Boomer arcs are becoming more intriguing too... the Caprica Boomer seems to be having doubts. (Can a toaster have doubts?) And the BSG Boomer, well, she certainly doesn't want to be a Cylon. Gaius's reactions when he realised she was were priceless. I'm not sure I'd go with the logic of Number Six's suggestions about what would happen if he revealed that info, but then Gaius is on the edge and probably easy to convince. I suppose self preservation is his number one aim right now. (And a note to say that Grace Park has been superb in portraying Boomer, and is getting better and better.)

I have said that the Gaius/Number Six thread has been the least compelling for me. Still true, but it's still gripping and a measure of the quality of the show that something as terrific as BSG is becoming that something that good is for me the least compelling element.


Jamie's point about the pres... fascinating! I'd missed the 'mother' incident. I'll have to rewatch I guess. But if that's true, as a 'prototype' cylon humanoid, maybe the cancer issue would be showing a weakness in the cylon's make up. It's an interesting idea, not one I'd personally go along with at the moment, but we shall see! There is so much intriguing stuff there, that when I try to set it all out in some kind of logical fashion it gets a little overwhelming! Having said that, it was interesting that it was the pres that was the only one that had the 'balls' to throw the cylon out of the air lock, and that the hardened Starbuck had totally changed position. (You could put that down to the mind games he played with her... I'm sure they had an effect on many viewers too, myself included!)

But it's refreshing for me to be watching the show 'live' as it were, and it's great that we are seeing it ahead of the States, so there is no possiblity of being spoiled.

Keep it up!

take care,

Andrew (HM) :upside:

I actually saw that scene as her destroying evidence, I think I've bought further into the President being a Cylon

Actually, Nick, the more I think about it....

Mind you, maybe that's what we are meant to think! I can't wait to see how it all pans out!

Andrew (HM) :upside:

keep meaning to post this:

frack is f*cking annoying :lol:

At least nobody has uttered "feldergarb" yet. We must be thankfull for the small mercies. :lol:

what's that from? :ermm:

It's another replacement swear word, often used by Starbuck in the original BSG. Translates to sh*t more or less.

The fact that we've been told in no uncertain terms that there are more humanoid Cylons that we've yet to see, leads me to believe that it's a certainty that someone else at least, amongst the higher echelons isn't quite what they appear to be. The President had seemed a pretty good guess to me as well, but after this episode I'm not too sure. They laid it on pretty thick here, not to the point of saying "Hey she's a Cylon", but knowing how Ron Moore and this kind of show operates, it's a little too obvious I think.

Of course, many years down the line (hopefully), Moore may pull the rug out from under us and say "Hey, don't you remember way back in Season 1, I told you Adama was a Cylon !!!"

The BSG Boomer thread, with her going to Baltar was quite surprising, I'd thought that one would run for a while yet, but we're got to assume now that he's going to Adama. Why would he not do ?? And the part of Number Six is difficult to fathom as well. After Baltar initially rebuffed Sharon's request it was Number Six that changed his mind, dobbing Sharon in, in the process. Odd.

There was an important piece of information towards the beginning of the episode, regarding the Cylon Prisoner, Adama said that he'd mix lies with truth, making it difficult to distinguish which was which. Given that, it would appear that either Adama's a Cylon afterall, which I doubt, or, the Galactica's going to come across Kobal at some point.

Fascinating either way.

I think it's getting obvious that number 6 hates "Sharon-bot" for becoming too humanised. She said it herself on Caprica. So it's possible that she would have been quite happy to see Sharon outed as a cylon.

I do wonder though, the cylons claim superiority over us mere humans. Claiming that the humans are decietful and destructive, and yet those seem to be the traits that they have picked up and mastered themselves. I wonder if that argument has been used against them?

It probably has, but then they killed the person that brought the subject up :lol:

Finally got to watch it. There is so much in this ep its hard to know where to start. I don't really buy that either the president or adama is a cylon. Surely if either were, the destruction of the fleet would be a formailty for the cylons. I was almost convinced about the pres, but when the cylon told her adama was a cylon, it seemed to blow that out of the water. Why would he, if the president was also a cylon?

I'm not sure about the mind flashes she was having, but then the cylons seem to have some way of messing with your head. Is the Gauis number six a neural chip like harvey in farscape, or projected from somewhere else? I rewatched the dream sequence, but I can't hear the word mother. The scene where the cylon is dragged off is an exact copy of when he was sucked out of the airlock, suggesting this dream was a premonition of some kind.

I hope that Gaius is going to grass BSG-Boomer in to Adama? I was a little dissapointed that we didn't see this. I suppose it will happen next week. I would have liked to seen more caprica as well. That plot seems to be only getting one scene per week.

There's also the possibility that the Fleet is being toyed with in the same manner than Helo is back on Caprica. Helo thinks he's free and running, but the whole situation has been orchestrated and controlled by the Cylons. The Fleet appear to be free to run, but it's not a certainty. The Cylons know of the quest for Earth, perhaps they want to be lead to it. The Cylon prisoner mentioned Kobal, perhaps the Fleet is being shepherded there. The prisoner stated that Kobal would lead them to Earth. The Cylons could be very easily using the Fleet to show them the route to Earth.

That was the point in the original BSG series - that the Cylons were lead to Earth, and that the Earth needed protecting from the Cylons.

That's why Adama certainly isn't a Cylon: he's supposedly leading the fleet to Earth via Kobal (sic?)

At the end of the Beastie Boys concert the other day, they showed loads of clips from the old BSG and a few clips from the new one (which I didn't recognise) - ol' Ronnie must be one of their mates ;) :lol:

It would be interesting to see what kind of Earth they reach, technologically advanced, or technologically inferior. Given that they went with the latter in the old series (eventually), it would be interesting to see a more advanced HUman society this time around, presuming they do ever get there.

As long as it doesn't feature Dylan and Troy on flying motorbikes......

The "toying with galactica" thing did occur to me as well. There seem to be a lot of cylon agents with the fleet, so you'd think at least one of them could get a signal off to the nearest base ship by now. I also think they are studying the crew for some reason. The cylon seemed to know a whole lot about starbuck (or was this supposed to be a Lector/Starling homage?).

What do we actually know about Kobol? Is it supposed to be the Capricans spritual home or something? I know they mention the 12 lord of kobol from time to time. Is Kobol the lost planet where the colonies originated from? If so, once they've found it, why would they need to go to earth at all?

I suspect that the reason the Cylon mentioned Kobol, was because the Cylons have already been there. I wonder if thats where they discovered religion.

As far as I remember, I think Kobol was the origin of the twelve colonies. Kobol in itself, beyond it's spiritual value is insignificant, other than possibly pointing the way to the 'lost' 13th tribe (Earth).

The hope being that in finding Earth they find both an ally and a new home.

I think the Cylons have already found Kobol as well, but they've been unable to ascertain the whereabouts of Earth, hence them maneuvering the Galactica fleet there, hoping that they can.

Knowing who the producer is it would be nice for them to reach Earth and find a fleet of Sovereign class starships waiting to "greet them" all the while the Cylons are getting their cybernetic asses handed to them by the Klingon fleet.

Oh God, I'm having a fever dream now. Help me. :blink: :lmao:

Just so long as Braga doesn't guest write the episode and introduce the Cylon's long lost offshoot race, the Borg :rolleyes: :lol:

Damn, you shouldn't have typed that, he could be watching :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :lmao:

Rest assured, the chances of Ron Moore letting Brannon Braga anywhere near any of his shows are pretty miniscule. Much like Braga's talent itself.

"Yeah Brannon, yeah, we'll give you a call if we need some weird-assed time travel story that makes no sense and f*cks with the continuity......." :lol:

"Or if I need a coffee!" :lol: :lol:

Honestly, if Enterprise is canned this year, and Brannon's out of w**k, if I were Ron Moore I'd employ him and find the most demeaning job I could for him.

This is for (the most part) singlehandedly f*cking up Star Trek !! :thumbsup:

Braga would probably "come up" with the idea for "Galactica 05" because in his opinion, Galactica 80 worked so well.

Yet again, another outstanding ep (Repeating this with every review is starting to become a tiresome task :lol: )

So many things to comment on, the whole Cylon/God theory, the Cylons home planet and earth, Baltor not confirming BSG Boomer’s true identity. Think I’ll watch the next few eps before commenting on it all, but it certainly is fascinating :thumbsup:

bloody hell Rob, you watching the entire series in one day? :o

That was the plan but last night I got kicked out of my room and onto the sofa <_< Will watch the remaining 5 eps in a bit :thumbsup:

It was a little baffling as to what Starback was going for during her interrogation. At first, she seemed on top of things. But it soon became clear that she was playing it by ear. I think it was an attempt by the writers to show that the soft-touch is so much better than torture.

While the President's soft-touch approach was made to appear as if it worked, it did only with the help of the writers? The Cylon confessed there really wasn't a bomb and everyone -- including the audience -- was supposed to believe him?! The Cylon manipulator? There was a manipulator alright. His or her name was in the credits.

While turnabout endings are often nice surprises, this one was confusing. Why did the President suddenly turn deadly, while Starbuck suddenly found some sympathy for the Cylon? :blink:

I'm not liking the President's psychic dreams. It's like those movies that start "It has been written that ...".

Katee was excellent as usual, even tho she didn't have much to work with. Callum Rennie was not as good but effective enuf.