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Crichton Kicks - October 22, 2004 10:18 PM (GMT)
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Na'Toth attacks an alien woman that has just arrived on the station, claiming that she is the Dilgar war criminal Jha'dur - known as Deathwalker. And Talia is hired by Kosh to oversee some rather strange negotiations.

Michelle - October 22, 2004 11:02 PM (GMT)
Well, the topic's up, so even though I watched it about 50 mins before I was "supposed to", I'm going to write my review now. :P

A slight anti-climax after last week's ep, but still some interesting parts in it.

The first scene reminded me of ep 2 (?) when Delenn tried to attack the Soul Hunter (or told Sinclair to get him off the station immediately :unsure:). I wonder if every character will go through the process of seeing someone who has wronged them in the past, and try to kill them. :lol:

I thought it a good twist that the immortality serum would require someone to die in order for someone to live forever. A bit of a similarity with Carnivale there. So it was quite satisfying when Deathwalker (forgotten the other name already - I'm quite sleepy :yawn: :lol:) got blown up. But what about the poor soldiers that were escorting her back to Earth?

And what was Kosh up to? Studying human emotions? Or specifically Talia's fears?

Crichton Kicks - October 23, 2004 08:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Michelle @ Oct 23 2004, 12:02 AM)
And what was Kosh up to? Studying human emotions? Or specifically Talia's fears?

Particularly interesting that bit.

And if I'm not mistaken, this episode contains one of my favourite lines from B5; Kosh's
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We shall meet again at the hour of scampering....
:lol:

Orac - October 23, 2004 08:57 AM (GMT)
Actually up to date this week. It can't last. :lol:

This is another interesting character/major races piece more than anything else. Through Na'Toth we learn the Narn have long memories and a keen sense of revenge. The Minbari are not as united as they seem. The Vorlons have very definite ideas of the place other races ought to occupy in the universe....

Frankly, I was glad Kosh took the action he (it?) took. Even based on what we've seen so far, it's clear he's right - none of the races we've seen is ready for immortality, and it can be argued the price is too high in any case. Jha'dur is so arrogant and unlikeable her fate seems entirely deserved.

And again we're left with all those interesting questions....

Not among my favourites, but there's still plenty to like about this episode.

ken1701e - October 25, 2004 08:44 AM (GMT)
Not the greatest of episodes although it was good to see SARAH DOUGLAS in a role again (even if you could barely recognize her) and I suspect that more happened here then first met the eye.

Interesting extra bits of information about the various races and personnel aboard B5 and I guess we can draw parrellels with the fact that the russians at the end of World War 2 wanted to grab all the German Scientists including those involved in the atrocities against the jews and take them back to russia to work for them.

Good episode but not brillent.

Number Six - October 25, 2004 12:23 PM (GMT)
I thought that this was interesting episode since we get to see more of Kosh and what, if anything, he's up to. Was he testing Talia Winters or what. Then in the finale where he just wipes out Deathwalker having made the decision that we are not ready for immortality.

As far as the main story goes I thought good but no more. We learn a little of the Narn blood oath and the Windswords and, as Ken says, good to see Sarah Douglas. Good also to see Robin Curtis (Star Trek's Saavik). Excluding AK, I make that four Trak actors, so far. Or is it five :unsure: :lol:

Crichton Kicks - October 25, 2004 06:40 PM (GMT)
I had planned on watching this one tonight whilst Vic was out, but seeing as she's having a week off, I popped the disc in a night early :lol:

It was mentioned during the reviews for Mind War, from those in the know, that said episode included the most important piece of dialogue uttered up until that point in;

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No one here is exactly as they seem....


In Deathwalker, we get an equally, if not more important line;

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Understanding is a three-edged sword.


That one won't come to fruition for a long time yet though ;)

The episode itself appeared interesting without ever verging on brilliant. It finally gave the impression that there was more to B5 politics than just that of the Earth Alliance, the Minbari, the Narn, the Centauri and the Vorlons. The League of Non-Aligned Worlds pitch their claim to the political canvas as well.

As with most of the previous episodes, there's more going on here than it may first seem. What the hell was the deal with Kosh and Talia ?? VCR was recording something. What ?? and equally importantly why ?? The Vorlons are wary of telepaths, interesting. Again, why ?? What was on the chip ??

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Reflection, surprise, terror...for the future.


We get a nice little history lesson here as well. The Earth/Minbari war was apparently not the Earth Alliance's first major engagement once they got into space. They interjected on the League's behalf beating the Dilgar. Are the EA mirroring current US foreign policy in being the galaxy's police force ??

Again, evident here, that B5, despite being a place for diplomacy and cooperation, again seems to serve Earth's needs above all others. We had the tech in INFECTION that was ordered to be sent back to Earth. The Homeguard prisoners in THE WAR PRAYER were ordered back to Earth. And here, Deathwalker was ordered to be sent to Earth. You get the distinct impression that Sinclair and indeed, B5 are out of the loop completely where certain things are concerned.

We also get some decent background info on the Minbari. They have a warrior caste. The Wind Swords information was intruiging as well;

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The Wind Swords are right to fear you (Sinclair)....


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They speak of you (Sinclair) often....


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They say you (Sinclair) have a hole in your mind....


They play up the Sinclair/Minbari connection to the full here, what the hell is it ??

Finally, there's a bit more about the Vorlons. We learn that they can be quite devious, with Kosh's tricking of Talia so easily. Makes you wonder if all his answers up until now have been entirely honest.

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We have no interest in other species.


We also start getting a few Koshisms;

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We shall meet at the hour of scampering/Longing
:lol:

There's also perpetuated the idea that the superior control the inferior.

A few more interesting quotes;

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You will become us.


You have to wonder did Earth know the cost of immortality ?? And if so, do they care ??

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You are not ready for immortality.


Now this might be just me, but from that, I'd take that the Vorlons may indeed be immortal themselves ?? It's also a little unnerving that they seem to 'play God' so readily. That might link back into the earlier 'the superior control the inferior' statement.

Finally;

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God's a conman compared to the Vorlon.....


:lol: :lol: :lol:

goth willow fan - October 25, 2004 11:02 PM (GMT)
An enjoyable episode with an interesting "villain". Lots of moral ambiguity.

Again telepathy is shown as being something that is very significant in the B5 universe. Just what was Kosh doing?

Phillip Culley - October 26, 2004 12:09 AM (GMT)
I think Deathwalker is the first episode where I've got nothing to say :) It's not a bad episode, just very ordinary. What I hope is a one-off card is the Vorlons popping up to give us all a nice clean ending that satisfies everyone without bringing up repercussions.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that JMS was very annoyed about the Vicer/VCR naming of Abbut (who I believe was supposed to be played by Gilbert Gottfried - and I can see a lot of him in how the character was written).

Crichton Kicks - October 26, 2004 05:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Phillip Culley @ Oct 26 2004, 01:09 AM)
What I hope is a one-off card is the Vorlons popping up to give us all a nice clean ending that satisfies everyone without bringing up repercussions.

Deus ex machina :lol:

Otherwise known as a 'Voyager Ending' :P

Hippy - October 29, 2004 11:01 AM (GMT)
Watchable but not more than that really.

Sort of a Trek flavoured episode to me.

Interesting twist at the end re the Serum but tbh I found it a bit silly.

Can't think of anything else to say about it :lol:

NJS - October 31, 2004 12:35 PM (GMT)
I enjoyed this one - I like the way dealing with war criminals mirrors earth history again (nazi rocket scientists for example) although that crustecaen type woman seems a bit comical at times which put me off a bit.

I also like episodes where the Vorlons reveal how they are a bit different shall we say to the rest.


willowroolz - February 6, 2006 01:12 PM (GMT)
Sarah Douglas has always been great at being evil and she's great as Jha'Dur, the last of her kind, and yet she believes she has found a way for her methods to live on. :fear:

Is this the first time that the council really comes in to play? Even though this situation is straight forward compared to later in the series, it's interesting to see it in action.

The stand off outside the station is quite good to watch, even if it's on a smaller scale than those to come.

Kosh gets to wibble a lot in this episode, which is always a good thing in my books. The way he tricks Talia to learn of her greatest fear is incredibly devious, and the way the Vorlons turn up at the end and destroy the ship, declaring that we are not ready for immortality, is quite shocking. :o


Kosh's Wibble(s) of the Week:

"We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering."

"Understanding is a three-edged sword."

Kosh - "You seek meaning?"
Talia - "Yes."
Kosh - "Then listen to the music, not the song."

:blink: :lol:




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